Locked bootloader AND a non removable battery?

Discussion in 'Motorola Droid 4' started by ThisIsMyName, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. jaycemiskel

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    Yeah, the phone will have custom roms but not custom kernels. Also, the gains used to be from overclocking but now they come from underclocking and undervolting. Saves me a ton of battery life. However, with those things said, I do think the Droid 4 will be a good device for those who need a hardware keyboard. Plus, Motorola has already said they plan to slow down with releases so it'll probably get better support then phones that came out last year.

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    Actually, almost no one has "seen the battery", it's kept very well hidden -- another oddity about this release. But I get your point.

    I hope you're right about the D4 rush job. It could mean that it just felt the easy-quick solution was to make two phones from one design by grafting a KB onto the w-i-p RAZR. IF - that's how it went down, then maybe the stupidity of unreplaceable batteries will hit home so it won't try that again and the LTE power issues will be addressed instead.


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    i dont know but it def feels like that is what they did was make a razr into a droid with kb. i started thinking about it and i kinda wonder if they really didnt want to do a droid 3. i mean the phone is such a after thought. i wonder if they really wanted to release the droid 4 we have now as the droid 3 and have it be one of the first lte devices. my guess was verizon wasnt sure when lte would light up or how it would work and said hold off and release something quickly hence the current droid 3. then moto wanted to drop the 4 earlier and fanbase and verizon said it was to soon, which it def was
     
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    Now correct me if I am wrong as I am not too programmer savvy... But I am sure there is someone out there who has the knowledge and the skills to unlock the bootloader so we can all "fool around with the innerworkings of the phone."

    Furthermore, If there are problems with the battery, I have seen videos on the interwebs of people taking apart the razr. I would like to see if its possible to get a replacement rzr maxx battery and install it in the D4. I'm sure when the phone comes out there will be a lot of crazy stuff that people will try to do.

    Me.. I personally like that I can wifi tether with my current phone and I will be annoyed if I will have to pay for it in the future and I hope that since it is locked, i think this may be a problem.

    And the think with the battery.... This is why I have a car charger, a desktop charger at work, a home charger at home and another I keep in my laptop case. I am just lucky that most of the day I can just keep my phone on the charger. But that day that I don't have the luxury, I am going to be screwed cause I won't be able to just swap out batteries!
     
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    Correction: Moto bootloaders are encrypted. NOT unlockable. You can still root, but with limits -- no custom kernels for one.

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    The thing about the fixed battery is that it is stupid and unnecessary. The tried and true removable metal case battery that we all know still works just fine. There is zero-zip-zilch performance advantage to polymer hybrid batteries. In fact, there's even a small but real risk they could explode if the phone shorts out.
    You don't compete with Apple by copying. A singer who can sound just like the greats is a lounge rat. You have to have your own sound to make it. This battery jag vzw has gone off on is just dumb.

    Btw- You can't swap in a MAXX battery. It had to make a thicker RAZRMAXX case to hold the bigger battery.

    If the D5 doesn't have a removable battery AND an SD card, I'll be thinking Mozilla B2G on an overseas version telephony enabled tablet.


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    I guess my real concern is... Can I load custom roms and is there a way to have free Wi-fi tether. That's why I rooted my current phone.


    And yeah I wasn't sure if it were even possible to swap or anything.

    The real reason as to why they have fixed batteries is because of the 'Oh Mighty Dollar'. Think about. $199 for the Razr, $299 for a Razr MAXX. It does NOT cost $100 for a replacement battery that you can just swap out when your power gets low. If the larger battery is $50, thats another $50 profit Moto is making off the Droid Maxx just because the battery is non-removable. Plus, if it were removable, some 3rd party would be making money, not Verizon.

    Motorola/Verizon just want another product out there that they can make some cash off of. Yes, I don't like the non-removable battery, but it comes down to bottom line.. and Verizon just wants to make more $$$.
     
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    Idk about tether. ROMs yes.

    It can't sell all the RAZRs & will have to deeply discount the D4, too. My guess is some folks were picking Android over Apple because of the removable battery. They can buy iPhones now. So, if the battery-in-a-plastic-bag is about profit, I hope at least its market research team is replaceable.


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    Yes, you can tether (or at least you could on the Droid 3). In fact, you could even tether without running your phone as root by modifying the radio stuff. As far as the Droid 4 is concerned: We'll have to see but I'd be surprised if they didn't figure out a way to tether.

    BTW - I just got a Samsung Stratosphere and, so far, I'm liking it a lot. Just put in an extended battery and am pretty pleased. It might not have the best specs but it's good enough and the display is pretty good looking.
     
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    I agree in a way that's its just a way for verizon to make more money having a non removable battery. But think of how many people will say "my phone is messed up" to get a replacement just cuz they think there battery is not up to par with what it first was. Me, I love my D2 and hae yet seen a phone that makes me really think "man am I missing out" and "I need that". It seems like a phone either has a non removable battery, no sd slot, no 4g, or something that make you just say ?WHY? Why not put that on/in the phone? I'm waiting for something that has all of the above and hopefully a keybored. I don't really care for how big the phones are getting either, I thinking about just getting a tablet with google voice or something lol just kidding but you get my point. But I think they are making each phone diff and not putting everything in one phone so all the phones find a home with someone, diff things for diff people. If, IF the Droid 4 has a removeable battery I will be the most happy person ever and so will a lot of other people!! I been waiting for a razor max slide out keybored attachment, why hasent no company done this yet and if you do you can message me and ill tell you where to send my check!!! Just my .02.............

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    If this wasn't already clarified sorry I skimmed but thanks to hashcode the droid3 razr and bionic have working ports of ics. Also the d4 has a removable battery it just takes a special tool beside most of Whats missing from moto is there common sense. They probably don't mind development but its just not in there buisness to allow it some of this if assumptions so don't hate

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    Just looked at the droid 4 today at my local store. I would have taken it home, but the battery is only good for 12.5 hours of talk time. I would have taken home the Razr Maxx, but I want the slide out keyboard. So, I guess I'm just waiting for the Droid 4 Maxx now and I'll get a new phone.
     
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    The Droid 4 MAXX is a rumor I'm afraid. Only 12.5 hours of talk time, well, I'll just have to suck it up and get used to an extra 4 hours over my Droid 1 with the optional larger battery.
     
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