1. DroidForums.net is currently undergoing a major software upgrade. If you are experiencing any problems logging in please: Contact Us

Is your modded Droid laggy and slow? Read this.

Discussion in 'Koush' started by brianjcohen, May 2, 2010.

  1. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm not going to spend any time getting into the details, how I arrived at these conclusions, etc. I'm sure plenty of you will disagree with this. That is okay.

    The recipe for a fast Droid, simply put, is:

    1. I am highly suspicious of themes. Stock is faster. I cannot prove this.
    2. Non-stock "launchers" are very bad, at least right now. Don't use anything called "Launcher" or "Helix". Use the stock "Home" app. If you run CyanogenMod, you can install the stock Home from ROM Manager. Try it.
    3. Overclocking appears to kick things up a notch. I'm on a 1.1ghz 5-slot, standard-voltage bebit kernel right now and all is well. I'm going to downgrade later today to the stock clockspeed for comparison.
    4. App/task killers are bad. This has been discussed to death. Put some faith in Linux and Android.

    I'll probably get buried for this, but yes, I'm essentially telling you that Motorola, Google, and Verizon pretty much got it right. Almost everything I've installed from the modding community has been a net performance hit compared to the stock system. At this point, the only reasons I remain rooted is for WiFi tethering and overclocking.
  2. verian
    Offline

    verian Guest

    I don't think you catch to much flack for this its a valid argument. I will be the first to disagree. When I compare my friends droid to mine, I whop his butt faster smother more responsive overall.
  3. utkanos
    Offline

    utkanos New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2010
    Messages:
    45
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    chitown
    I'd have to agree on everything except the launcher.. the launchers that come in CM are laggy as hell. Helix 1 is the only one that doesn't have random lag issues and misclicks that I've found.
  4. Alex K.
    Offline

    Alex K. New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Install one of the nightly builds of CyanogenMod. They fixed the launcher like I predicted, considering the launcher wasn't exactly refined yet.
  5. Dxun
    Offline

    Dxun New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I just posted something like this in another sectoin hers a few minutes ago. I have found that a few days after installing a new ROM things start to slow down for me. Extremely fast at 1st then the lag starts to kick in. Maybe im going to try eliminating my task killer and see how things go.
  6. warrior21
    Offline

    warrior21 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2010
    Messages:
    1,287
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    NY
    While I liked the droid in stock form when I put my rooted droid next with helix next to my wifes stock one, there is no comparison. Its just a matter of finding the rom that works best for your phone.

    Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
  7. utkanos
    Offline

    utkanos New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2010
    Messages:
    45
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    chitown
    I hope they fix the phone app/contact lag, that is the biggest clincher for me.
  8. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In that case you do agree with me about the launcher. What I said in my post was that these 3rd party launchers you keep seeing (Launcher, Launcher2, Helix, Helix2...) seem to be a collective hodgepodge of bloat and bugs. I disagree with you re: Helix1, I found it to be no better than the rest. Stock "Home" is the only one that functions smoothly for me.
  9. INSANENEIVIESIS
    Offline

    INSANENEIVIESIS New Member Developer

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,288
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    if youve ran the latest version of cyanogen(5.0.6.2) you will take back everything you said.
  10. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I do run 5.0.6.2, been running it since the day it was released. My problems are not imaginary.
  11. Dxun
    Offline

    Dxun New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Could it be the more screens we have is whats causing this. More screens means more widgets and crap we have constantly gathering info.
  12. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I have the same number of screens and the exact same widgets running on my stock "Home" as I did with any of the 3rd party launchers. "Home" is snappy, the rest aren't, to say the least.
  13. necr0
    Offline

    necr0 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2009
    Messages:
    84
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    California
    I've experienced ridiculous lagging with this ROM. Specially when I finish a call and press the home button to get back to the main screen, it takes a few seconds for all my icons to show again. After that everything lags for a a few more seconds until it finally returns to normal. I was running the smoked glass theme overclocked to 1.0GHz (Bekit Low Voltage) and the stock launcher. I Installed AdamZ ROM again and it runs perfect... maybe it's my luck? :-/
  14. droidisawesome
    Offline

    droidisawesome New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I see where you could come to this conclusion. I have ran several roms that have showed down my phone. It seems that every one's phone is slightly different and a rom that runs fast on one phone will run slow on another.

    I found that CM ran slow on my phone where Redrum Chaos runs really smooth.

    Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
  15. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Your Droid is a computer. Unless something is physically wrong with it, you should be able to count on it running the same as any other Droid running the same processes in the same configuration. Luck has nothing to do with it, and an earlier poster who suggested you randomly try various combinations until you find one that that work with your particular Droid is doling out some really bad advice.

    @necr0 - as I mentioned in my earlier post, I have found these "theme" roms to be largely evil, in terms of performance. I have absolutely no proof for this theory, but my gut suspicion is that it has something to do with additional resource usage (memory to load, and CPU to render) associated with all that artwork.
  16. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No, these are sophisticated $600 palmtop computers that are manufactured to exacting specifications. Unless something is physically defective with your device, it should function exactly the same as any other Droid having the same configuration.
  17. Alex K.
    Offline

    Alex K. New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Here's a few pointers:

    1. Droid has its own GPU, which means for rendering, CPU load is reduced and the majority of the process is transferred to the PowerVR chip.

    2. ALL Droids are different, and if they are not, explain the varying quality in headphone jacks, different types of keyboards, and different strengths of CPU chips (due to binning). That's like saying everybody can jam a 1.3GHz LV kernel on top of your Droid and max it out without having any problems. Obviously this is not the case, because I can only run up to 1.2GHz on low voltage, but since this kernel exists, and people do use it and a lot do not, a lot of people must have something "physically defective" with their devices.

    3. If you want to post your opinion that can make people digress from using certain ROMs or themes, you should get benchmarks on your device and OTHER devices on each of these ROMs and themes in question. I know it is not a direct way of putting down other peoples' work, you must be considerate in the measures of which you place your thoughts.

    4. Before you continue to talk bad about ROMs, my build of Cyanogen, with my own small modifications (which aren't even performance-specific ones) runs absolutely flawless clocked at 550MHz, or even 1.1GHz. So what results you can produce and what others produce do not match, making your argument invalid. I'm not flaming or trolling you, I'm just saying that when the Droid first got rooted and kernel-threaded, there were so many speculations as to what different situations mean and they have been answered in practical methods brought on in the computer world that have been tested on these "palmtop computers" that we use today.
    Last edited: May 2, 2010
  18. brianjcohen
    Offline

    brianjcohen New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Messages:
    83
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I said in the beginning I had no proof for most of this. I also said I had no interest in getting into the details of why I had arrived at my conclusions. I thought I had made it clear that the statements I made in the original post were decidedly non-scientific. They are my opinion. My hope is that some folks who are experiencing lag could find some relief.

    Regarding the GPU vs. CPU, your analysis seems valid. I'm therefore curious as to why there is, nevertheless, an apparent correlation between running a "themed" ROM and the experience of dreadful lag. That said, I'm not curious enough to get into a discussion about it. :)

    Regarding the difference between different Droids' hardware -- I see your point, especially if you say that there are some batches that literally have different keyboards. However if there are really batches of Droids that have different CPUs, would those CPUs not have different identification codes? Rather than saying "all Droids are different, you should experiment until you find what works," why not work out a chart of, say, kernels known to perform well or poorly on different Droid hardware revisions? I am curious as to whether these hardware variations are truly as prevalent as they are purported to be, or whether they are being over-used as an explanation for undesirable behavior and bugs? As before, however, I am not curious enough to get into a discussion about it.

    All I want is a fast, rooted Droid while taking advantage of certain nice things in ROMs like CyanogenMod. I do not want to spend countless hours trying to narrow the exact problem down, when my own minimal testing shows such a correlation. Yes, it's quite possible that the theme isn't the problem. Or maybe it's only a problem with certain themes. Or certain revisions of certain themes. Rather than let my head explode, I will stick with what apparently works.

    As for putting down peoples' work, wow. That was certainly not my intention, and I apologize if it came off that way. If you re-read my original post you will see that my intention here was not to critique anyone's work or to start a flame war about the pros and cons of flashing your Droid's ROM chip. I provided some "try this" tips. That's all.

    Can't we all just get along?
  19. Alex K.
    Offline

    Alex K. New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    @brianjcohen

    I am sorry that I came off terribly formal about everything, that is my nature. :p

    The CPU thing is completely random as it varies by batch of production. It isn't by product week or by CPU serial entirely, and the actual problem is by CPU wafer, all of these CPUs will have the same batch number, yet depending on where the CPU was located on its wafer (whether it be on the rim or in the center) is how it will perform at higher clock speeds. The closer to the center, the better.

    The keyboard thing is also random, entirely. I do not understand how it worked out.

    Your best bet is, however, is to run a close-to-stock ROM, in example, CyanogenMod+Home launcher, or Bugless Beast 1.0.

    They have always worked the best for me.
  20. Explosivpotato
    Offline

    Explosivpotato New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Messages:
    102
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    On the topic of the overclocking capabilities of different chips:

    Different chips made with the same process on the same day one right after the other will NOT be identical. Every chip will have microscopic differences in the silicon and doping processes that will affect the overclocking and undervolting capabilities of each individual chip.

    This is the way EVERY semiconductor-based device has always worked since the first transistor radio. All droids are NOT created equal. For instance, my droid will run up to 1.2 ghz at low voltage, but not 1.3 even at increased voltage. The same is not true for all units.

    EDIT: darn I type waay too slow on my phone, lol.

    Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
Search tags for this page

android a855 running slow

,

droid a855 internet slow

,

droid a855 problems slow response

,

motorola a855 droid apps run slow

,

motorola a855 runs slow

,

my droid a855 is slow