Is Apple on the ropes?

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    Wow, there was a time when Apple revealed something and it meant something. I believe the last relevant thing they released was the iPad, now it was not the first tablet device but they were the first to release a tablet worth buying. It would take Android manufacturers 3 years to finally catch up to what apple was doing as far as tablets; the same could be said with the iPhone when the Droid was released. But now as I see what Apple is standing on stage releasing I almost feel sorry for them. It is like "wow" you guys have really lost your luster. Where is the Apple that was throwing the punch now I am yelling at the ref to stop the fight.

    Has apple truly fallen off from the mobile platform as far as bringing something new or worthwhile to the table?

    As an Android fan, part of me is yelling at Google to start going after Apple for what is clearly rip offs from their OS, but I now am like "man they need all the help they can get".

    Remember Apple was in a slump and Microsoft was not only mopping the floor with them in home computer sales but Bill Gates had to help them out. Right now it really feel likes history is repeating itself as Android has clearly grabbed the reigns. In a thread I posted earlier I felt like Apple was a step behind but now I am beginning to feel like they are much more than that. For the sake of keeping with strong competition I believe Apple will benefit more from open sharing with their competitors and drop all lawsuits because right now they are looking mighty bad being the guys taking manufacturers to court for software infringements when it is clear today that they were all out of ideas and just decided to copy off older Android features.

    Do you think Apple (as far as mobile platform) is done without Jobs taking the lead?

    Will Windows (or another software company) be able to become the number 2 pushing iOS to 3?

    Have mobile software hit a wall as far as ideas or is it just Apple who is all out of ideas, in other words can we see the mobile platform pushed further ahead than where it is at now?

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    They will become less relevant if:


    • Other companies continue to take away their talent
    • They do not innovate and keep rehashing the same product under different devices
    • Allow Samsung to become the new "I have to have it device"
    • If they continue to sell over priced products when they aren't the "it" company
    • ... more...

    Apple will always have customers, and they will continue to make billions and billions every single year. There are people just as crazy about Apple products as there are people who are crazy for Android products.
     
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    DL Kellex pointed out some features that are an improvement on what they copied from android, and upon reading the article I have to say kudos to him on pointing them out.

    New iOS 8 Features That Android Actually Needs to Adopt | Droid Life


    I still feel the ref should stop the fight though...I mean apple may be throwing a few desperation shots but they are still taking a beating to the point I am having to turn my head.
     
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    Apple will always be "the Evil Empire" to me and I would take great pleasure out of them filing bankruptcy and ceasing operation - but that's not likely to happen.
     
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    They all "steal" from each other in one way or another. Ideas, designs, or people, it's business. Car makers do it, Jet manufacturers do it, investment brokers do it. I just think it's funny when they sue each other for doing the same thing everyone knows they're doing.

    I don't know how factual the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" is, but ever since I watched that movie I can't feel sorry for any of them. Apple made a fortune while not being the largest desktop computer maker so I think they'll chug along not being the biggest phone maker.
     
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    I don't think it has anything to do with Steve Jobs at this stage in the game. Smartphones have simply reached a point (just as laptops did) where there really isn't anywhere to go in terms of "real" innovation. The fact that they now have widgets, swype style keyboard options, hotspot feature & file transfer capabilities between mobile devices (all things Android has had for years) is going to seem "innovative" to the Apple diehards. While I'm sure the next iPhone will be a decent device, I don't see them dominating the market again anytime soon.
     
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    When it comes to phones and tablets, I'm all Android. When it comes to desktops, notebooks and routers, Apple is my choice. I am also an Apple Beta Tester and will be testing OS X 10.10 Yosemite.
    There are actually some neat new features in Yosemite like having the ability to make and receive calls and SMS on your notebook or desktop.

    I don't think it's a matter of not having anything new to talk about. I think they deliberately held back on product news. I would expect to see a new [size] iPad, a redesigned MacBook Pro, iMac, Apple TV and a new compact [perhaps pocket size] Airport AC router.
    When it comes to Smartphones, we may just see a 4.7 and 5.5 iPhone very soon with an all new IOS look and feel.

    I wouldn't quite count Apple out. Let's face it, their stuff just works and that's all the average consumer wants.
     
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    Who cares, Apple, Android, Windows, they all do the same thing, and people fighting over the same tech with different names on the front of the devices, at the end of the day, all these companies care about is how much they can siphon from your wallets. As long as the device does what I need it do do, I could care less what OS it uses or who manufactures it. When you only stick to one OS, all you are doing is shortchanging yourself.
     
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    I have to agree with you Jeffrey when it comes to laptops apple has it. I love my macbook pro and recommend it. As I told one dude "I love android and dislike everything apple but when it comes to the Mac pro I have to give them their due respect. It is not only the premium build but the customer service that come with it." When my Toshiba broke a few years back I remember talking to their tech support and was frustrated dealing with them. A few months back I called apple for an issue with keychain software being corrupted (apple software issue) and was needing to leave for work. I was able to arrange the same tech support guy to call me on a set time on a Saturday to do some more troubleshooting. We ended up having to do a factory reset (which I suspected) but the support was miles ahead of Toshiba. I still have issues with their iTunes store but I understand that is how they do business and do not take away from the Macbook pro experience.

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    I have had the same experience with Apple tech support. They bend over backwards to get you a solution. I have a new Mac Air AC and an Airport extreme AC. My transfer speed is constant at 750 mps. My older Mac Pro gets 300. That's tough to beat.

    My Mac Pro is a late 2009 and never had a hardware issue. I recently upgraded the hard drive to a Sammy 840 Evo SSD. There was no issue with my 5 year old HD, I just have a need for speed. It's now almost as fast as my MacAir. It boots in 10-12 seconds... Awesome.
     
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    It's like anything else. Just a matter of getting use too.
     
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    After using an early 2011 MacBook Pro 15 inch for work for the past 6 months or so, I have to say Apple wins when it comes to computer hardware. Granted I still run VMWare Fusion and a Windows 8.1 VM for work stuff, including Office Pro + 2013, I hear the Outlook experience on a Mac is dreadful.

    This is by far the best hardware I have used for personal/work computing. It is my boss' old machine that he beat to hell, I took it to the Apple store, $300 flat fee to fix whatever was wrong with it. Got it back with a new logic board, keyboard, casing, like brand new. I dare you to find a Windows manufacturer that will do that.

    Now, when it comes to phones I am with everyone else, it is just a copy game at this point with slight tweaks. The only thing I have read so far that they will be doing that Android has not, a brail keyboard, which people are not even sure how that might work. That is of course unless there is already a brail keyboard for Android and I have not seen it. :)
     
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    Well Apple has a place with the less Tech savvy for sure ie Your mom & dad and even Grandmother. Their devices are harder to press the "red" button than are Androids. This is because Android allows a user more control of his environment. You also have many people that wont switch simply because its what they know. I dont ever see them being on the ropes but I do think they will be greatly diminished. (Never to the point of a windows phone though) Obviously as has been stated Millions of times. They do need to Innovate more and Litigate..... NONE!! I think their number one problem is really simple.... and easily corrected... that is make your stupid phones have a bigger screen. 4.7, 5.0.... something besides a 4:6 ratio maybe. They need to get with the times and go 16:9. its sad but I think if they did this the Apple fan boys would crow to the Moon!! and there would be "New life" in their product.... basically they just need to get with the times and not put out something inferior to what already exists.
     
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    I like all technology and if it wasn't for Apple we wouldn't have gotten to where we are as quickly as we did. You know that's true.
    I prefer Android by a huge margin but I like that Apple, an American company, led the way and continues to be a big player. I do not understand why anyone WANTS them to fail.
    Would it really be all that bad that 3 American Companies (counting MS) were #1 #2 #3?
     
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