I bought my Verizon Moto X outright so....

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    Why can't I unlock the bootloader and root this thing easily since I own it?
    Do I get a discount from Verizon since my phone is unsubsidized?
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    No you don't get a discount, if you have unlimited data you get to keep it though, and vzw doesn't want unlocked phones on their network.. However they can't prevent you from unlocking it..if you can unlock it..idk..not familiar with the x

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    so then maybe I should have just got the 6GB Max plan, with a subsidized device, and called it a day.

    I only use about 2 Gigs a month, if that. I just wanted to keep unlimited just in case. But if I can't get a discount, then maybe I wasted my time and money buying the device outright.
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    Well...idk...I prefer to have unlimited data.. You never know when you might need it...I like having peace of mind, knowing I won't get data overages and I don't have to rely on WiFi... That's important to me in the case of sensitive documents...

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    I bought mine outright for 1ยข on Amazon. One big reason was to keep my unlimited data plan, and the other was, well, $0.01 for an awesome phone.

    But then I analyzed my data usage over the past 6 months and decided to drop it and go with an 8gb share everything plan. I never got over 4gb with all 4 lines and this saves me $20/month.
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    While Verizon can't prevent you from unlocking it, Motorola can do it's part to make sure you can't unlock it with the standard Moto X. Carriers often pressure the manufacturers into making bootloaders unlockable, in an effort to restrict things that can then be used for free on phones that could otherwise be money makers for them. Part of it is also security on their part and I'm sure another part too is the less knowledgeable messing up their phones and then filing claims on them for a new one. Those of us that have been around since the Droid 1 have seen it too many times to count.
    So it boils down to money for the carriers.

    As for rooting, it still can be done, but it's just a little more complicated. As someone who has ALWAYS rooted though, this is the first phone that I haven't rooted yet and I'm not even sure if I will. As of now, it just does what I want and need. But knowing me at some point down the road I'll just want the challenge and I'll root. :)

    Sent by fish1552 from his MOTO X.
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    I have seen this comment frequently. What does it have that rooting can't or can provide?
    I have the Moto X (unlocked as well) and IMHO feel it requires rooting with xposed and gravity box: phone lacks battery percentage icon, has
    linked volume controls, lacks power off options, display tweaks, etc.
    Or perhaps I am a root junkie who just can't live w/o a rooted phone since the og droid days?
    Originally i thought i would be happy with it as a non rooted phone but I guess i like and determined i like having that extra sense of control and choice. :)
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    It means that I'm content with the way the phone operates stock and unrooted - nothing more. So far, there has been nothing I want or need that requires me to root the phone. With that said, it also may be due to constantly flashing new ROMs and other stuff over the last 4 years to where I was almost constantly trying to reload data/files/tweaks and such and just decided to take a break.

    Maybe it also has to do with the fact that I run Cyanogen on my Nexus 7 and I get my root/tweaking on with that and am satisfied leaving the phone intact for now. And yes, I run xBlast Tools and many of the modules on that as well and love them. Or I can just modify files manually if need be.
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    Also, in addition to my comment above, while you may have bought to phone at full price, you are still using the phone on a private company's network. And since the network is THEIR money maker, they can and will do everything they feel they need to protect that source of income. Those of us who enjoy modding/rooting/etc may not agree, but you have to admit, if the tables were turned, and you thought you may lose money to people circumventing restrictions or poaching services from you, you most likely would do the same. I know I do in my private business because I don't want to end up bankrupt in 2 years.
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    I believe to do what you want to do you needed to buy the developer version of the X.
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    This ^^

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    I'm very interested in this phone. Coming from the S3. But I'm having a hard time deciding between this, the DROID Maxx and the G2. I feel like the X is a little more simple and straightforward and I kinda like that. I just wish the battery was a little better. I like the battery in the Maxx of course. The X would be perfect if it were around 2700 mhp or whatever it is.

    I do want to be able to root just to be able to freeze bloatware and use some of the root apps I bought.

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    When you say "better" are you judging by physical size, or real life battery time? 'Cause just about every review I've seen counts battery life in the X as a positive. My real life usage averages about 16 hours (6AM to 10pm) with 4 hours of screen time.
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    I was going by the physical size. And comparing it to the S3 which is 2100 I believe and the X is 2200. But maybe the X doesn't have as much bloatware and other features the S3 has so it uses less? But if you are getting that much time that is a good sign.

    Now if only rooting could just be easier. I don't want to flash roms, just root.

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    Yes, there has been much discussion about the multiple battery saving technologies that Moto/Google built into the X - the low energy screen, the active notifications, the low draw processor. It's been said MANY times - you can't judge the X by looking at a spec sheet!
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    I bought my Moto X outright after reading so many good posts about it and I wanted a smaller phone for work. I like its small size, simple UI, great GPS and radios. The battery is just fine. The active display and touchless controls are handy without being gimmicky. I haven't and probably won't root mine either, it's fine just the way it is. I did add the Power Toggles app because I like having the familiar toggle layout and I use Apex launcher. I do prefer using the S4 or G2 on the weekends though.
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    Yeah I'm leaning towards getting this I want to go into a store and actually hold a working model.

    I really hope they continue to update it. I want something that doesn't get old too fast.

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    As anybody should understand, the law is changing about carrier locking.
    I believe it is in its infancy at this time, but I am certain a ruling will arrive that forces the carriers to provide unlocking codes when asked, and also be prevented from denying owners of their devices from moving to different carriers when they see fit, instead of locking them and their devices to their system, whether or not they like or approve.
    This must be the ruling, non-subsidized devices are the property of the customer, and not the property of the carrier any longer, so unlocking the devices must be available on demand of the customer.

    A customer that owns his device is now being held hostage by the carrier, and this practice must cease.
    They either unlock the device, or they need to be sued to force them to do so, there is no other way around this.
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    I used to be a motorola fan boy. Aside from the camera, their radios and other hardware has always been spot on. Save for reloading a new OS on my phone every so often, most of my Motos (OG Driod, Droid X, OG Razr MAXX) have lasted long after their 2 year life span. My Droid X still makes a decent back up phone. However, their move away from SD Cards has me looking elsewhere. I have an NAS at the house that I can get to remotely but I still require larger than 16 or 32 gigs onboard. My GF has an S4 and i really like it. The Note 2 is stellar as well.
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    Not sure what to make of this post other than an opportunity to come in and bash?

    As far as the sdcard, had one in my Razr (phone I had before the X). Rarely if ever used it. Sure I set my camera to send pics and video to the the sdcard but I can do the same with Drive or Dropbox or Box. Don't see this as an issue at all anymore. Do I wish there was an sdcard slot? Of course, better to have and not need, but I've found it not to be a deal breaker at all.
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