Google Removes Nazi and Hitler Theme From the Android Market

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  1. mrdroid

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    3 things that article has wrong.

    1. Hitler and that symbol are indeed obscene. They have turned into a symbol of genocide, period.

    2. Apple does NOT clearly state what can and cannot be put on the market. Every day hundreds of apps are denied and pulled from Apple's market due to political and company held views and nothing else.

    3. Article states "If there were hateful words or images in tow, then yes: I’d agree with Google in a heartbeat." The article clearly states the theme was found with keyword "Jewish". That is enough evidence that the theme is indeed hateful.
     
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    I think the other guys I listed were also murderers. Stalin beats Hitler any day, doesn't he? Anyway, I'm not saying that a private business shouldn't be allowed to remove apps. I would have removed this app if I were in charge. I'm just saying that when you start censoring things, it's hard to rationalize NOT censoring more...slippery slope.

    So, what else would you censor?
    gangsta rap
    hezbollah(sp?)
    anti-abortion
    pro-abortion
    racial humor
    porn
    girls in bikinis
    images of muhammad
    women not wearing burkas in public
    global warming skeptics
    critics
     
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    Was just about to type nearly exactly ^ that. They didn't invent the swastika. Also, not that I in any way support the ideology or what they did, but the Nazi party is in no way the only group in history to believe in/promote racial/religious/ethnic purity and oppression/genocide. Ever heard of The Crusades?
    My point is not meant to be in support or opposition of anything really, other than it is a tough call/slippery slope in policing the market. I have said before and will say again that I think there needs to be user controlled filters in place. Then, those that want access to such items can have them while others can avoid them entirely.

    Edit: meant to reference Shadez's post. But I agree with aminaked's last one as well.
     
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    Google isn't the leader of the free world. They are a company. By extension of their Android Market they would have condoned such a theme by allowing it to stay on the market. If you just look at it from a business perspective they again... made the correct decision. Many people benefit if they take it down. No one benefits if they leave it up. No one that matters anyway.
     
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    Nero was pretty bad to.
     
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    Bottom line - this is Google's playground and they can pull ANYTHING they want. Period. If you don't like it, start your own market. There's no slippery slope or any such crap - it's Google's storefront and they allow whatever they want in their store's window.

    You wanna Nazi, Stalin app - go to the Nazi, Stalin store. If Google decides to pull Tinker Bell apps, Mother Teresa apps, or Mom-And-Apple-Pie apps, so what. You want Tinker Bell apps or Mother Teresa apps or Mom-And-Apple Pie apps, then Google them and find out who has 'em and buy/download from their respective markets. Sheesh!
     
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    They can. This kind of stuff is about as extreme as hate gets. I'm just more comfortable having actual users decide rather than the company. I'll be one of the people showing up to throw dog poop at the Klan as they march by if they ever dared to try to parade in my town. I'd also vote against anyone that denied them the right to do so. Allowing things you hate to exist doesn't mean you endorse them. Avoiding them and responding to them are sane and normal reactions. Private companies and places ALWAYS have the right to bar those words/images/ideas. Google is within their rights to do so. That said, I wish instead they didn't, but DID allow us a means to either create our own set of things to block or made a good API for developers to provide free or for fee filtering of the muck that's out there. I don't want to see smut when I browse for games either, but I'd rather that than see it simply blocked for those that don't share my morality or views. Ideally I could tailor the filtering to fit my own views, and others could too.

    Again, this is one of the furthest out there lines that there is, and almost every sane person would agree with banning it. Clearly though, there's at least one ogre who made it/wanted it. The problem is when do you decide that enough people are offended to do it? Do you pull the Quran and prayer apps because they offend 911 survivors? Where exactly do you stop once you have decided to start? That's the rub.
     
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    We know Google is allowed to manage their store as they see fit. It's a slippery slope because this opens the door to the politically correct police complaining to Google about other apps. Google will have to draw the line somewhere.

    Example: someone could complain to Google that there are images of women in the market. Their faces should be covered by burkas if they are in public. In some places of the world, this makes total sense. If we go around censoring stuff just so people aren't offended, what do we have left?

    I'm just standing up for freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I'm American, so I guess that stuff's important to me. In your country, things might be different.

    That being said, I support Google's decision as I have said before. I'm just wondering where this might lead.
     
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    Google is a corporation and as such, it doesn't have to follow any laws about censorship in it's app market. As a business owner, albeit a teeny-tiny one, I'd have to say that the "Shake the Baby" Apple app might have kept some mommies from buying that phone for their teen-aged kids. It's all about marketing. Did the existence, however short, of that that app make the iPhone any less of a phone? -Nope. But it may have caused a tiny bit of subconscious interference with the voice of reason in the backs of some potential consumers' minds. -Ya know, like whatever the hell possessed anyone to vote for Bush a second time...
    Is the Nazi app getting yanked an act of censorship? -No, I don't believe it is. I think it's Google just keeping their bed clean.

    Personally, I think that if Google opened the floodgates to completely unregulated apps in their market with no filtering, the whole app market concept would fall right in the crapper. Kids buy these phones, on their parents' plans. That's a HUGE chunk of market, and mommies & daddies wouldn't much like it if, for the sake of the first amendment, their kids could download porn apps straight from Google's app market onto their shiny new Droid Xs.
    I, for one, would not want to have to wade through a swamp of gay porn to find a fitness app, for example.

    ...I also wouldn't mind seeing that swastika on someone else's phone. I would rather know up front that he was a psycho than find out later after I've been chatting with him, and be left wondering just how much about myself I told him by the time I found out he was a Nazi sympathizer!
    I like it when people wear their crazy idealisms on their sleeves. It makes it easier to know who to avoid.
     
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    Slippery slope is, by definition, an informal fallacy.
     
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    You might be right because I have no idea what you're talking about. Slippery slope, opening the door for more, rotten apple. Forget the expressions. I'm not trying to do a philosophical proof here.

    What else will Google deem unholy? That's my question. So far:
    1)tatas
    2)Nazis

    On a side note, I find it hypocritical that Google will accept money for adult ads but will not allow adult sites to run Google ads on their sites. Am I bitter?
     
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    I agree with google removing "Creature Apps". And to be honest i wouldnt be bothered with google removing more of those garbage spam like apps that appear with every search . However i do enjoy apps like the free wireless tether and other root access only apps. I have benefitted from Google's less than thorough approach to censorship, however i'd be willing to sacrifice in order for the OS to be something im proud of and not disgusted with because of ignorant devs that think there being "Obscenely" funny.
     
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