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Google Removes Nazi and Hitler Theme From the Android Market

Discussion in 'Android Applications' started by Shadez, Aug 13, 2010.

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  1. Shadez
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    It’s no secret, now, that from time to time, Google will remove an application from the Android market (mainly only if it violates the terms to which the developer agreed before he set up his market account or if they find the app is malicious or dangerous). An analyst taking a break through his busy number-crunching day went for a stroll in the Android market one day and – to his disgust – found Hitler themes when he searched the word “Jewish”.

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    According to the analyst – Michael Gartenberg of Altimeter Group – Google contacted him after he publicly thrashed about the app and agreed that it was “upsetting and violates TOS.” The violation? Obscenity, but I can’t judge that having never installed or used the themes for myself. Obscenity is very subjective, and while I’m sure a majority of folks in this world aren’t exactly gunning to become president of Hitler’s fan club, can you really consider images of the man and the logo he once donned “obscene”? We see it everywhere now, and it just so happens to be in the Android market, as well.

    This particular case has an interesting twist, though, where searching the word “Jewish” could lead an unsuspecting Jewish user to the hurtful logo that’s been cursed by their ancestors for decades. Could it invoke psychological distress? Absolutely. But if we consider the definition of the word “obscene”, does the app really convey obscenity in such a way that Google would see fit to remove it without hesitation? Perhaps a slap on the wrist until the developer removes instances of the word “Jewish” from its description would suffice as that’s what’s bringing the app up in search terms in the first place.

    If there were hateful words or images in tow, then yes: I’d agree with Google in a heartbeat. But then again, I haven’t seen these themes myself, so only those who had the displeasure of installing it (not many, according to recent market data) – and Google – can truly judge this instance. I’m not pro-Nazi, as much as my commentary might make me out to seem (and I like Google’s judgment, if we’re considering only this case), but I’d just like a bit more consistency in the Android market when it comes to these sorts of things (there are certain other “flags” and content in the market that I’m sure a few other groups don’t take kindly to). Fair is only fair until the top of the food chain doesn’t agree with you, in case any other developer still needs a clear warning.

    If there’s one thing anyone can’t deny about the “walled garden” Apple polices, it’s that they at least make it clear what you can and can’t do and will take action before the first user calls foul. At the end of the day, I’m just wishing Google would stop trying to emulate a completely hands-off approach when it’s clear that a higher degree of regulation and consistency to enforce those regulations are needed (and desired, depending on who you are).


    [via PCMag]
    Phandroid.Com
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    Good commentary!

    I wonder what else they would remove...a picture of Osama bin Laden? Muhammad? 9/11 images? The job of a totalitarian overlord, censoring, is not easy. (Although the droidforums moderators make it look easy. Just kiddin'!)
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    Honestly, my own take is I wish they left things that offend me like that up and on the market.

    AND

    I wish they made it easy for a developer to put out a market filter app.

    I'd rather let knuckleheads have whatever porn/hate/what-have-you with complete freedom. I also think people that don't want to see it shouldn't have to, but it should be on each of us to install/enforce our own filtering.

    I have no problem with removing defective/malicious/illegal apps, but I think the lack of the "walled Garden" of Disney is one of the major advantages of Android over Apple (among MANY other things). I also understand those who want some form of protection. I just think that protection should be via something you explicitly subscribe to or choose on your own. You decide which dev/app/org's sensibilities you trust to filter your apps, you don't have it chosen for you by the platform.
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    Hitler and the Nazi ideals need to be erased from the face of the earth, By far the most vile man to ever walk the earth.
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    OK, but where do you draw the line when censoring? What else will be judged unfit? And maybe censoring just fuels the fire...people get angry when they're censored.
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    This isn't about censoring religion or sexuality or whatever else you consider "controversial". It's not even the Confederate flag, which has a symbolism apart from racism, though it certainly is intertwined with a great deal of it.

    Nazism is an ethos that is wholly centered on the elimination (by murder) of other races. There are *no* redeeming characteristics. You cannot be a Nazi without promoting racism and murder.

    If you're going to censor something, it's not hard to censor Nazism without creating a slippery-slope.
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    OK, so what about Osama bin Laden, Pol Pot, Stalin, Charles Manson, Mussolini. Let's have a censoring party! Anyone else you don't like? Hitler was "censoring" the Jews.
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    That's a good start. You forgot Chairman Mao. IBTL
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    Heh heh, OK, but don't you see the irony in trying to censor things like this? When you lose freedom, you're starting to act like the thing you're censoring.

    Besides, the "Streisand effect" states that if you try to cover something up, it will just get more exposure than it would have had you let it be.
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    Well.. it is a touchy subject, if you wanted to get technical about it, someone could always claim:

    The Original Meaning

    The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

    Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

    Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.


    History of the Swastika
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    All too true. Well said.
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    No, Hitler was MURDERING the Jews. I don't see why a private business shouldn't be allowed to remove apps that glorify him from their market.
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    3 things that article has wrong.

    1. Hitler and that symbol are indeed obscene. They have turned into a symbol of genocide, period.

    2. Apple does NOT clearly state what can and cannot be put on the market. Every day hundreds of apps are denied and pulled from Apple's market due to political and company held views and nothing else.

    3. Article states "If there were hateful words or images in tow, then yes: I’d agree with Google in a heartbeat." The article clearly states the theme was found with keyword "Jewish". That is enough evidence that the theme is indeed hateful.
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    I think the other guys I listed were also murderers. Stalin beats Hitler any day, doesn't he? Anyway, I'm not saying that a private business shouldn't be allowed to remove apps. I would have removed this app if I were in charge. I'm just saying that when you start censoring things, it's hard to rationalize NOT censoring more...slippery slope.

    So, what else would you censor?
    gangsta rap
    hezbollah(sp?)
    anti-abortion
    pro-abortion
    racial humor
    porn
    girls in bikinis
    images of muhammad
    women not wearing burkas in public
    global warming skeptics
    critics
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    Was just about to type nearly exactly ^ that. They didn't invent the swastika. Also, not that I in any way support the ideology or what they did, but the Nazi party is in no way the only group in history to believe in/promote racial/religious/ethnic purity and oppression/genocide. Ever heard of The Crusades?
    My point is not meant to be in support or opposition of anything really, other than it is a tough call/slippery slope in policing the market. I have said before and will say again that I think there needs to be user controlled filters in place. Then, those that want access to such items can have them while others can avoid them entirely.

    Edit: meant to reference Shadez's post. But I agree with aminaked's last one as well.
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    Google isn't the leader of the free world. They are a company. By extension of their Android Market they would have condoned such a theme by allowing it to stay on the market. If you just look at it from a business perspective they again... made the correct decision. Many people benefit if they take it down. No one benefits if they leave it up. No one that matters anyway.
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    Nero was pretty bad to.
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    Bottom line - this is Google's playground and they can pull ANYTHING they want. Period. If you don't like it, start your own market. There's no slippery slope or any such crap - it's Google's storefront and they allow whatever they want in their store's window.

    You wanna Nazi, Stalin app - go to the Nazi, Stalin store. If Google decides to pull Tinker Bell apps, Mother Teresa apps, or Mom-And-Apple-Pie apps, so what. You want Tinker Bell apps or Mother Teresa apps or Mom-And-Apple Pie apps, then Google them and find out who has 'em and buy/download from their respective markets. Sheesh!
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    They can. This kind of stuff is about as extreme as hate gets. I'm just more comfortable having actual users decide rather than the company. I'll be one of the people showing up to throw dog poop at the Klan as they march by if they ever dared to try to parade in my town. I'd also vote against anyone that denied them the right to do so. Allowing things you hate to exist doesn't mean you endorse them. Avoiding them and responding to them are sane and normal reactions. Private companies and places ALWAYS have the right to bar those words/images/ideas. Google is within their rights to do so. That said, I wish instead they didn't, but DID allow us a means to either create our own set of things to block or made a good API for developers to provide free or for fee filtering of the muck that's out there. I don't want to see smut when I browse for games either, but I'd rather that than see it simply blocked for those that don't share my morality or views. Ideally I could tailor the filtering to fit my own views, and others could too.

    Again, this is one of the furthest out there lines that there is, and almost every sane person would agree with banning it. Clearly though, there's at least one ogre who made it/wanted it. The problem is when do you decide that enough people are offended to do it? Do you pull the Quran and prayer apps because they offend 911 survivors? Where exactly do you stop once you have decided to start? That's the rub.
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    We know Google is allowed to manage their store as they see fit. It's a slippery slope because this opens the door to the politically correct police complaining to Google about other apps. Google will have to draw the line somewhere.

    Example: someone could complain to Google that there are images of women in the market. Their faces should be covered by burkas if they are in public. In some places of the world, this makes total sense. If we go around censoring stuff just so people aren't offended, what do we have left?

    I'm just standing up for freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I'm American, so I guess that stuff's important to me. In your country, things might be different.

    That being said, I support Google's decision as I have said before. I'm just wondering where this might lead.
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