Goodbye illegal tethering

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    Exactly. You can make up every excuse in the book, but when it comes down to it you did NOT purchase tethering, and to make it worse for you, you specifically agreed that you cannot tether based on the provisions of the plan that you did purchase. No matter how you slice it, doggie bags, water, soda, cars, forks, spoons, it doesn't matter. You paid for smartphone unlimited data, and smartphone unlimited data only. If you can find a way to run up 50GB using only your smartphone, VZW cannot say anything to you and they won't. But the minute you download even 1/2 MB using tethering, you have violated something that you agreed to and signed. There's no getting around it.
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    Except they can, and will throttle you, drop your connection, and potentially even cancel your contract because you used "too much" of your "UNLIMITED" data. That's in your contract too. There's already network congestion and throttling occurring during primetime hours simply because the network is inadequate to the demands of the customers, and pathetically inadequate compared to the potential consumption possible under a truly "UNLIMITED" data plan by simply having 3g upload/download "ON" for an entire billing cycle .

    Consumer data demands are rapidly increasing and consumers need to start advocating for better products/service and stop letting giant corporations nickle and dime them for services, then blatantly price fix those same services up to their competitors established prices, and finally stop hiding behind the festering legalese contractual bureaucracy that gives them complete leeway to do so.

    Cellphones/networks are dangerously close to becoming essential parts of American life. Cellphones already completely replace land line phones for many people. Within 50 years, a cellphone may also be your ID, bank card, credit card, and primary computing tool, merely connecting Atrix style to a terminal. These phone companies are in a very strong position of power currently, and going into the future. The fact that there are so few options, and all of them being run by for-profit business trying to maximize profits at the expense of quality at every turn is what is so troubling.

    Consumers, if anything, need to be more vocal about voicing dissatisfaction over the current contractual clauses, network congestion, network infrastructure, and the available tether options. These products, and the communcation/data sharing they allow, have the potential to completely change the world and the way we interact with it. They also have the potential to be utterly stifled by greed, lawyers, and asinine contractual clauses only present because of the near monopoly the major players have, and their willingness to lobby/price fix their way into keeping them and a few more dollars.

    I realize this post, more than my others, is going to come off as highly "leftist". And I hope we can continue to keep the debate civil. I won't slippery slope you with first tethering soon "XXX", I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy in them saying this 1GB is fine, but that other one will cost you $30, but enjoy your UNLIMITED DATA (that we'll throttle/remove your access to if you use it too much). We are letting these companies get away with more and more at our expense, simply because of how important cellphones are becoming to American culture. Every new phone has more bloatware and programs you can't remove. Isn't it about time consumers actually start advocating for what they want?
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    Agreed 100%. This was and is going to happen. My guess is that VZW may have even built in tools to try to determine who may be breaking their TOS, which probably even deal with items you have traditionally thought were acceptable. When the bottom line starts to shrink a little, they will squeeze. Always happens and get ready for the new economy.

    Posted here in relation to my other thread about grandfathering - same issue - VZW will charge customers if it can and if they have a contractual right to do so.

    Anyways guys, been fun and I'm out of here. Enjoy your Thunderbolts or other 4G phones as I am and see you around the Internet...
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    The only way to increase bandwidth is change the cell networks or build thousands of towers... Both options cost money...

    The truth is that the bandwidth would be adequate if people didn't abuse their plans. Sure it says unlimited, which everyone likes to point out, but it also CLEARLY defines abuse... Tethering is abuse.
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    I will admit that I have tethered in the past for limited purposes but streaming alone this month I'm already at 4.5 gigs. It's not that unprecedented to get high amounts with legitimate usage of the service. That's why I won't ever sign up for a tiered plan. I'll drop my smartphone before I do that unless the limited are respective to the given data rate (I.e. around 10-12 gigs for 3G, much higher for 4G)

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    I don't deny it's possible to rack-up data legitimately, but most people aren't going to tolerate watching a lot of video on such a small screen. And if it's music streaming doing you in, well you could always save a good bit of data by playing mp3's/playlists rather than streaming. And if torrents are the major factor, well I don't really consider that legit use.

    Although I'm curious what someone might rack-up using navigation a lot (people who travel, salespersons, etc..).

    In all honesty, if you have wifi at home (which most should), how much data can you really rack-up? I'm at the office 8-10 hours a day where it's just email and maybe a few news articles, then at home where I'm on wifi. The average is less than 500megs a month. 2-3gigs really should be sufficient for the vast majority of users.

    I don't foresee a huge explosion in smartphone data usage, on average, not without tethering. Most people are going to view the more data intensive content on a larger tablet, PC or tv screen. I rarely use my Droid if my laptop is nearby.
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    Verizon will not throttle you if you use your plan legitimately. I'm sorry, you're not going to convince me that if you use between 1-10GB a month, that you're network access is going to slow to a grind and your going to be crying woe is me in a corner. If you tether and use like 50GB a month, then yes they'll throttle you and deservedly so. If you use your plan the way its meant to be used (on your phone) i do not see a legitimate way for thousands to rack up 50+GB a month. Even 30GB a month. Are there people who do use it legitimately? Sure there are. But there is no chance that the top 5 or 10% that are being throttled are all poor customers who are just trying to use their unlimited data and are being thwarted by the evil empire known as Verizon....

    I'd love to see some stats on average data use for VZW customers. I'm sure 90+% dont get anywhere near even 2 or 3GB...I havent even hit a gig yet in the year plus i've had my D1.
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    I understand where your coming from. My data usage is mainly music and video streaming. I have kids so at home I don't get much time in front of a true computer till after bedtime. My phone is quick and mobile. I don't do any torrents on my phone. My X was having problems with WiFi so everything was over the network for me. Plus using WiFi has nothing to do with it as that's a different service that I pay for and the carrier doesn't need to concern themselves with that. Overall I'm saying that with legitimateusage of their network I'm getting into the ranges that they threaten to throttle with and they don't want to pony up to the advertising. I'm not abusive to the network. I pay for a service and should receive that service with good faith by both parties.

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    All I'm saying is, it just another way to suck a decient ammout of money (for middle/low classs workers) and that's messed up, and don't you dare say "well that's capitalism" your dead wrong, me paying them a decient monthly fee so they can say "yes you may tether" is actually capitalism not woking, its essentiall free-loading! Because ther're doing nothing for me!

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    Stealing is never acceptable blackbelt. They offer a tether service for a decent rate. Supply and demand dude, if it was too much, noone would pay it... Honestly, if you said you paid the twenty then used the free unlimited instead of the Verizon official app with the meter, I might think that was in the grey. You're illegal tethering is costing everyone else. Higher rates and less bandwidth.


    Some people don't understand that bandwidth costs money... It's the same people that always cry about ads on YouTube...
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    While I think they are offering the promotional hotspot with the TBolt to generate LTE subs, it will be interesting if they ever release data on tether and how much data LTE users chew up.

    I bet video is 90% of the data for heavy users (counting torrents, the size of which again goes back to video). But that's the direction things are heading (if Netflix and the studios can ever agree on the model for popular titles). With people looking for 1080p and eventually blu-ray streaming (never applicable for a phone, unless you tether), data usage will just keep going up. I think it was Comcast that recently talked about throttling home broadband above 180gigs...

    This conversation will change in maybe 5 years when most people are getting everything - tv, movies, music, radio, internet - wirelessly. Then limited data plans for specific devices will be silly. But right now there are capacity issues and everyone is protecting their turf (the wireless companies pay broadband providers for actual access, they only provide us a conduit to those pipes).

    Haha, the "series of tubes" will soon be the only asset the cable companies have that's worth anything. Of course, we'll still pay them what we do now, one way or another, and the cable companies will do just fine.
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    If tethering is so bad for Verizon then why are the apps, wireless/wired, even in the market?

    Some of which you have to pay for. So they say don't tether it is illegal, but get kickbacks on 'illegal" apps in the market. We don't get it both ways but they do?

    Also, call VZW and ask for a tethering plan for Droid1. They won't sell it to you because D1 wasn't supposed to be capable of tether, yet unrooted PDANet works like a champ.
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    I'm paying for every bit I use, (not stealing), it seems your completely missing my point
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    I intended to join this forum to make that same point, but you beat me to it.

    Fixed.

    I average 6GB a month, I'd say, with a 2GB variance. I tether consistently; haven't gotten charged, or given any notices.

    Also, I'm wondering about loopholes. What if you designed a mobile browser, that can render a higher resolution screen than the phone itself and send that data to a receiving window on your desktop? You could also capture mouse and key data from the computer side, and use it to interface with the browser on the phone side. Technically, the internet data never extends past the phone itself. While you wouldn't be able to use all desktop services under your regular OS, it could make it easier to read web pages and view videos, as opposed to squinting at a tiny, dense screen. Kna'm sayin'?
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    Hey keep tethering. When/if verizon decides to go after people who tether it's going to be entertaining reading the thread you make about unlimited data. I'm looking forward to it haha.

    Like I mentioned earlier, your only venue is droidforums because you and I both know that you're violating your tos, and that you have no chance of successfully defending yourself if you were caught. You're not going to call vzw and tell them you pay for unlimited so you'll be tethering. All those who swear up and down that they're on unlimited are in the same boat. Pointless arguments.

    all you've successfully done is convince yourself that your entitled to tethering. Unfortunately vzw won't be so easily convinced haha.

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    Huh? How is that different from tethering? Look at what AT&T did with the Atrix laptop dock. They know if people can "consume" their data on larger screens they will use more data and more often, which is why officially they've never allowed it. It's no surprise with faster networks now that they are going to pay more attention and crackdown because LTE (and even HSPA+) remove the other natural "barrier" of intolerably slow speeds.

    VZW didn't leave it up to the users to decide what "unlimited" data meant, it's relatively clearly defined and that EXCLUDES tethering. You can play your game of semantics or claim false advertising but VZW isn't doing anything wrong or unfair here. You can, in fact, have unlimited data according to certain restrictions, which is what we all signed up for.

    The only definition of unlimited that matters is the one outlined in the contract. And, hey, there's always Sprint.
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    I like that this topic has garnished so much intellectual response from multiple sides. Many thanks to the OP.

    Whether or not hooking up/docking to a larger screen would generate more data use is a great point to bring up. I habitually force my phone browser to use 'desktop mode' because mobile versions of say facebook or youtube are terrible to navigate IMO. I WILL switch to the youtube app because it is easier to watch (less and/or no buffering), but forced desktop is the only way I can stream movies. But this still falls under (an admittedly grey area of) legitimate use.
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    And this is why tiered data pricing is coming this year. So the users who think tethering and unlimited data from their phone is the same, can really complain loudly.
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    ....Ive been tethering since way back when I had my BB Storm, then on my OG Droid, and now i will do the same on my TB.

    Dont let anyone try and scare you into thinking you will one day get an insane bill and the VZW police will come get you.

    As long as you dont use it as your main home ISP the you will be fine, just use common sense.
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