Custgm Rom for truely accessible Android.

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  1. moagm316

    moagm316 New Member

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    I was wondering if anyone has come up with a truly accessible Droid rom. I am visually impaired and have simple requests when it comes to accessibility. I absolutely love the TTS engine that has been developed for the Droid, but am extremely angry that the only choice that I have for any true font customization is a BlackBerry. This seems like an extremely basic request and it seems that it keeps on getting skipped over and over again. I have tried the Apple product and OOOOOOO it has a zoom feature. I have also tried the Ipad and it also has the same OOOOOOO zoom feature. I am a business person who needs to get things done and has very little patience for afterthoughts like the Zoom feature. I am truly sick and tired of being treated like a second class citizen by developers. I would gladly pay for text enlargement functionality, but it seems like a very basic feature. One other alternative is a scalable UI so that I could change the resolution. Does anyone have any help for those like myself?
     
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    I believe that changing the font size is something that you will have to ask a developer (one of our hacking community ones)...I don't think this topic has come up yet, so I don't think anyone has an answer until they search for what controls the font size (might be as simple as the font packages, probably not though)
     
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    your rooted correct?
     
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    moagm316 New Member

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    Well lets fix this thing and finally get things right. I know tons of Blind and Low vision consumers ready and waiting for something that does not suck.
     
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    One thing i would recommend, is not being angry / rude to the devs that would help, you have to realize 99% of us dont need this feature, and you cannot be offended that it wasnt already added.
     
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    moagm316 New Member

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    Please do not patronize me. Have you read other forums and even those on google? There are hundreds if not thousands of post out there pleading with them to add this very basic feature. You are not understanding that it is not just Blind people that need this feature. Anyone over forty would appreciate such a feature. They are not just keeping out the disabled but an entire segement of the population to market to.
     
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    Um i think the majority of the droid market is under 40

    Its not a simple few clicks and its done, something like that would take time if it even could be done, there is only certain space allowed for text, but you wanna make the text bigger but the size for the text might not be changed.

    The home screen has icons and in apps that are text heavy you can zoom. Like wtf is the problem? My dad is 55 and basically blind without his glasses but when i visit them he loves to play with my droid and has no problems

    And lastly as it was said attitude. If you keep demanding and saying all these people want it then chances are the devs arn't going to care, maybe ask nicely and one will work on something. And just cause you are willing to pay for the app doesn't mean anything to them. If they even charged it would have to be less then $5 or else im sure you would fully complain and so the dev sells a few copys and makes 20 bucks, is that worth it to make someone like you happy?

    Take a step back and think before you talk. Or just dont talk at all :)

    Edit: And i just googled "droid large text" to see all your results, 2 results popped up about large font, one from oct 09 before the droid ever released and the other is from 2 days after release. I'm on basically all droid forums daily and seen one other thread, that was prob yours, complaining about wanting the large font
     
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    Would it be easier to have an app that followed your finger on the touch screen and magnified what ever was under it as you moved your finger along? Or it this the same "zoom" feature youre complaining about in the Iphone?
     
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    This is the feature that I am annoyed with. As far as the previous posters rude reply. The market will pay what the market will bare. You could charge twenty times what you were suggesting for an app that made the phone truely accessable. I am talking about a very simple thing. the abilibty to change the size of text is a feature an %99 of fully featured programming languages today. I am not neccecarily annoyed at Devs I am annoyed at GOOGLE for not putting sich a basic feature in their basic OS. You have been able to change the font size or screen resolution in operating systems since windows 3.1. The argument that "It may not be possible." does not hold water. These smart pones have more power behind them than many computers did afew years ago. I am just as annoyed with APPLE with their IPHONE OS as well. They don't consult with the disability community when they develop products. I and many other Blind/Low vision consumers would pay for such features and have a trackrecord of doing so.
     
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    I thank you very much for your suggestion. One other issue that I have is that Verizon has the accessability features locked out on the phones that they offer. What is it going to take for low vision users to be treated like any other customer. Do was have to initiate a lawsuit to get equal treatment and service from software manufacturers?
     
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    i personally think your bringing it a little too far. a lawsuit, under what grounds would that hold? to be completely honest i don't think any lawyer would even waste their time with that. i'm not being ignorant so don't get my point twisted. i can understand why your upset but not to this level. what exactly do you want here?
     
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    Check out NFB V. AOL. AOL got sued because their web browser / software was not accessible to the visually impaired. I am not saying that this is the best way to get things done, but it seems to me that if companies like APPLE and GOOGLE are going to keep features out of their phones that restrict who can use them. In the case of AOL it was a simple change that they refused to implement for some arcane reason like "The majority of our users don't need screen readers or text enlargement." You guys are coming up with some very lame reasons for them to not put it in when I am saying that it is a feature that you should be upset that is not in there. Isn't the strength of the DROID platform supposed to be the fact that it is customizable? For that matter can someone give me a slice of code that will enable me to choose the size of my text? I understand that there is the application called Toolbox or something that will enlarge the text, but if you reboot your phone the phone goes back to the previous text size. This seems like something that should be saved in some sort of config file.
     
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    "I thank you very much for your suggestion. One other issue that I have is that Verizon has the accessability features locked out on the phones that they offer. What is it going to take for low vision users to be treated like any other customer. Do was have to initiate a lawsuit to get equal treatment and service from software manufacturers? "

    Check out NFB V. AOL. AOL got sued because their web browser / software was not accessible to the visually impaired. I am not saying that this is the best way to get things done, but it seems to me that if companies like APPLE and GOOGLE are going to keep features out of their phones that restrict who can use them. In the case of AOL it was a simple change that they refused to implement for some arcane reason like "The majority of our users don't need screen readers or text enlargement." You guys are coming up with some very lame reasons for them to not put it in when I am saying that it is a feature that you should be upset that is not in there. Isn't the strength of the DROID platform supposed to be the fact that it is customizable? For that matter can someone give me a slice of code that will enable me to choose the size of my text? I understand that there is the application called Toolbox or something that will enlarge the text, but if you reboot your phone the phone goes back to the previous text size. This seems like something that should be saved in some sort of config file.[/QUOTE]

    Let me get this correctly. You purchased a phone that was not advertised as being accessible to the visually impaired and its their fault?
    I know for a fact that there are many product that are sold that are not tailored to your condition. Any box of Kraft mac and cheese should tell you this. There is no large font on the box. You need to shop around for something that meets your needs, not threaten all those that don't. Speak with your pocketbook, not a lawyer.
    Perhaps an android phone is not for you.
     
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    Ok I had a post, deleted post, had another, deleted, but I just have to post... lol

    You have several routes to take to solve this. Firstly I do not think this is in any way shape or form a fault of google. I think if you wanted to play the lawsuit club game your better off swinging at the carriers and phone manufacturers as they would be the most likely to do these sorts of adaptations based on the hardware for the phone. Though really threatening people with lawsuits is not a very good thing and just makes people look down on or afraid to work with those with disabilities for fear of legal repercussions.

    You could talk with disability lobby groups and see if they can get manufacturers to add an optional update to add these things, or better yet they should have the money to hire coders to make a patch for a rom on their own.

    Really though your best best and the fastest really would be to find a freelance programmer or rom developer, ask them politely if they would be interested, give them exact requirements... be very specific. don't just tell them something like "I want it to be more accessible", or "I want it bigger". How do you want this software to work, what settings....? Having this down will pretty much take care of half the battle. Then open the wallet or checkbook. You may luck out and find a nice person, but programming is a skill just like any other and people will want incentive to use their time on you.

    Really I can see lots of ways you could do this and it probably wouldn't really be very hard depending on what visual options you want? contrast? size? (but that is in the requirements I suppose).

    You could also look into what various linux distros use for accessibility and see if anything they use can be compiled to work on android.

    and the last option is as you said
    not just the droid, the android platform and yes it is very customizable. If you were willing to put in a little time and reading you could probably program what you need yourself... *shrug* Hell, I'd do it if I knew a bit more coding. I'm still reading through the books myself =)

    But I'd try a freelance coder... plus side is the code depending on how competent they are should work or be easily made to work on most android based phones so others could benefit from it too.

    just don't be so aggressive. It really puts people off.

    edit: I just poked around mine for a few minutes. I never looked before but is the accessibility option grayed out on the stock rom too? it's there but non functional on cm rom 507.1 Perhaps a module could be made to link up with that if it's not being used at all.... I should know I suppose but It's been so long since i've been on a stock rom. 2.0 at least lol.
     
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  15. adrynalyne

    adrynalyne Premium Member Premium Member Developer

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    I was going to look into this, but really, I think this is a nightmare waiting to happen, and I really don't care for the attitude of the OP. You don't come to folks for help, and then belittle or be rude to them.

    I think I will pass. My rom includes the same accessiiblity features that are included in the stock rom. Not all custom roms include them.

    @LrdElderon

    The acc. apps are not included with (any version?) CM, hence, the section is greyed out.
     
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