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Battle For CPU Supremacy: NVIDIA Calls Out Apple on Speed Claims of A5X vs. Tegra 3

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    Unless you were living under a rock, or simply trying to avoid it, the big news yesterday was the launch of Apple's new "The New iPad" (what were they thinking on that non-name name?). During their press event, Apple made a big fuss about how much faster their A5X chip is than the NVIDIA Tegra 3. They even claimed that the quad-core GPU in their A5X was 4 times faster than the Tegra 3 solution. Of course, NVIDIA has come forward and called out Apple on these outlandish claims. Ken Brown, a spokesman for NVIDIA, called them to task. He indicated that it was “certainly flattering" that Apple made the comparison, but called their data "sketchy" at best. He elaborated,

    It seems that Apple's statements may have ignited a benchmark war. We will soon see the "proof in the pudding" when the new iPad hits store shelves and some actual benchmark comparisons are made. What do you guys think? Could Apple's claims be true, or are they blowing smoke?

    Source: Android.net via TalkAndroid
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    My Assumption would be that their claims are close to truth every apple device so far has been or has set the bar for performance in graphics.
    and do we really care??? if the A5X is better then good on them as this will push the competition to new heights. And we only benefit from this in the long run
    hate or love apple (and I don't really care one way or another) they make good products if they didn't they wouldn't sell. I'm very happy with my Acer A100 tablet, my Droid X and X2, my acer-one laptop, my Macbook pro 13", and my work Iphone. all of these products do what they need to do. Good on Apple if they just raised the tech bar again and here is to the chase. Huzzah i love technology ALL OF IT.
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    I wouldn't doubt if the claims are true either, probably just rounded to the nearest whole number. The GPU in the iphone 4s is still king of the hill even tho it came out last year. So of course it would make sense that a quad core version is going to perform much better. We'll just have to wait for anandtech to post benchmarks so see the exact numbers.
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    If it ain't optimized for the OS (or vice versa I guess) it doesn't really matter.
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    I am always skeptical of Apple's claims, as in the past they have outright lied in the PC market, to the extent that some countries made them pull their ads for "false advertising"...

    They used to claim that they had the fastest PC on earth. But only if you ran specially optimized code and compilers on the Apple computer and ran outdated non-optimized code on the PC, and it was always in some very obscure application that almost nobody even used...

    But hey, lets be honest... owning an Apple product has NEVER been about performance. It's about owning an Apple product and making sure that everyone knows that you have an Apple product...
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    As droid-life has already pointed out, Anandtech did plenty of comparisons between Tegra3 and the A5 and the A5 destroyed Tegra3, so it's most probably true that A5X does too. There's no reason to think Apple would just lie about their performance, unless of course you also subscribe to the Apple users are sheep, Apple is a cult, and Apple is evil theories, in which case you probably have other more pressing problems to worry about then benchmarks.

    Or maybe Apple paid Anandtech, because as we all know Apple pays judges, courts, countries, companies, blogs and everyone else to lie for them....:blink:
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    But they have gotten caught lying in the past, that's the point, so I always take their claims with a grain of salt.
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    They have? When?
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    This.

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    I am not disagreeing with you, nor do I dispute your statements, but could you please send us some links showing Anandtech benchmarks where the A5 (a dual-core chip) "destroyed" Tegra3 (a quad-core chip). I just went to Anandtech, and while I admittedly only did a perfunctory search, I could not find any evidence of a benchmark where the A5 "destroyed," or was even compared, to the Tegra 3. I could have missed it, so I am perfectly willing to concede that it is true. It would be nice to see your statement backed up with a link.
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    No problem, I apologize for not showing the link: AnandTech - ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime & NVIDIA Tegra 3 Review
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    About 10 years ago, so finding a link today might not be as easy as it sounds, but the UK made them pull the ads. It was at that time that Dell took one of their PC's and ran the benchmarks with equivalent code and pounded Apple into the ground.

    Apple has a habit of making claims that don't always live up to the hype. Be it them inventing the slide to lock that another company already had, or them claiming to "be faster" when the test was obscure and skewed with optimized code on one side and non-optimized code on the other, to claiming that the iPhone3 was faster at browsing the web and again having the UK make them pull their ads... Like I said, Apple and Apple fans like to say a lot of things, and they are not always accurate.

    It isn't like my stating the obvious is ground-breaking or anything...
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    Awesome! Thanks for the head-up. Those are some pretty impressive numbers, and completely back up your statements. While I now have no doubt that the A5X will certainly be faster than the Tegra 3, (based upon results), I still find it suspect that it would be 4x faster. We will have to wait and see once the New iPad is in the hands of reviewers. Regardless, it is an impressive chipset.

    On a separate note, not all Android fans hate Apple, and not all people that do not like Apple automatically assume the worst about the company. It's probably wise not to over-generalize when making those kind of comparisons, because when you do, you commit the same error of prejudice that the overzealous Android fans you are decrying also make. Anytime, we lump an entire section of people into a category by over-generalizing we commit an act of prejudice. Just food for thought... :)
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    There was no link in your post, but I believe you are referring to: Apple accused of cheating over G5 benchmarks ? The Register. While it's possible they may have gamed the system to their advantage, czerdrill anandtech link shows that the A5 performs better than the Tegra3 and so should the A5X. However, it's always in how one develops the software that can make a world of difference in addition to the hardware.
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    Yeah I don't know about 4X faster either, but it's not going to be worse then a5, and a5 is definitely better then tegra3 (benchmark-wise).

    As for the generalizations, you're right of course, and I should practice what I preach, but this thread is a perfect example of just what I was saying. It only takes one minute of research yet you have people here saying "Apple is known to lie" (with zero proof) and it happens across this board a lot. TBH, I know that not ALL android users are like that. In fact, I'd go out on a limb that and say that 99.9% of android users are not like that. But that 0.1%? They're way louder then the rest.

    Apple has plenty of flaws, and they do some pretty suspect things, but so do all the Android OEMs and Google. Objectivity is key and not just an unfounded bias for no reason other then you don't like Apple because you like Android.
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    well the a5x is still using the PowerVR SGX543...just 2 more of them...hopefully the omap5 will come out soon to shut them up.
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    Yep this is true, but the thing with benchmarks is they're never consistent and there's so many variables involved. One test might show 4 times the performance, another 2 times the performance, another 3.5 times the performance. We'll definitely see much better performance from a5x vs a5, but a consistent 4X vs Tegra3 probably won't be shown. If it is, then yeah a5x is a bigger beast then I could have imagined haha.
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    Yup, that was the story I was looking for, nice find. There was another one citing... "dubious claims" for the iPhone 3 as well...
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    I'm not saying that Apple is known to lie, in fact the article I linked to 1) is not definitive proof they lied and 2) is claiming they MAY have gamed the system to have an advantage, but not lied per se. Plus, one instance 9 years ago is hardly proof they're doing the same now nor do I even suspect they are.
    The thing that gets me is, from an engineering perspective, I want to see the data or how the test or experiment was performed so it can be independently verified through peer review. This was a product launch, not a white paper, so I'm not expecting that level of detail from any company.
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