let me get to my situation first before I complain before I babble on again. Just to get this out of the way, my battery life on my droid was nevers spectacular. I've always kept my wifi gps and brightness on the lowest unless needed. I've tried on an off using task killers. its probably been asked 10000 times. I manually upgraded to 2.1 and its hard to say but(read title) so..recently without having any atk type app or juice defender app Id simply..try to use my phone moderately, then after getting maybe almost a day, then using till the power goes out completely. then ill wait a few minutes, than charge it till its 100 percent and leave it for a few minutes. then ill unplug and turn it off till the next day. if I use it then for the next 20 minutes to browse it might go down to 80 percent. sometimes ill use maybe for even just 5 minutes and it it will go down to 80. How HOW THE HELL DO PEOPLE GO FOR A HALF AN HOUR WHEN ITS ON AND STILL SAY THEY HAVE 90 PERCENT BATTERY?? AND HOW CAN YOU POSSIBKY GO FOR TWO DAYS WITH MEDIUM USAGE??? I'm lucky if I can even get 8 hours under heavy usage. I don't get how like almost everybody in the review market says that the take managers/killers save a lot of battery because I'd love to know the secret....how much battery do you guys get. And I'm sorry but I lied about the babbling.