Adobe AIR and You (Or why this is important)

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    It seems like the buzz around here is either about 2.1 or integrated Flash in the browser.

    However with the announcement today that AIR will be included on mobile platforms, this is something to be more excited about.

    I posted this in another thread:

    With the inclusion of AIR we are gonna see some sweet stuff.

    Basically AIR (Adobe Intergrated Runtime) is an environment that is cross platform and incorporates AJAX, Flash, HTML. So if Adobe pushes out AIR to phones a developer could theoretically write one applications and have it run on all the major phone OS's.

    This makes it more worthwhile for the developer and the app envy we sometimes have of other phones will be become less and less common.

    Here's some info on AIR
    Adobe Integrated Runtime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Adobe Shows Flash and AIR Apps for Google Android - PCWorld This link has a cool video showing AIR being used on the Droid running a couple applications.

    and finally

    AIR For Android, And Adobe’s Plan To Deliver Apps Across All Mobile Devices

    AIR is already pretty mature on the desktop/laptop/netbook platform here's a link to some things you can try right now
    Adobe Marketplace - Welcome to the Adobe Marketplace.
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    how many threads do we need on this?
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    12.

    It works better that way.
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    I understand.

    AIR > Flash
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    Actually techinically

    AIR = Flash.

    However Flash is only going to give us the ability to play intergrated videos and some small games and see websites that were otherwise unavailable. Also get spammed by huge flash advertisements that were poorly coded. Not a huge jump.

    AIR will create a multi phone platform to develop apps. We will see an influx of good looking apps that aren't as resource heavy.
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    It does look pretty sweet:icon_ banana: I can't hold it in.... :)
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    AIR is stupid and shouldn't exist. It duplicates the functionality of Flash, it gives you one more thing to keep updated, it's slow and clunky, and "an environment that is cross platform and incorporates AJAX, Flash, HTML" sounds a whole lot like "web browser."

    AIR is Adobe's me-too attempt at cross platform capability, and apparently they wanted to cast of the stigma of Flash which has been beaten to death. The biggest problem is that Adobe is HORRIBLE at developing such software.
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    LOL this is like the 9th thread on Adobe AIR... OP: we get it we get it, AIR is great :icon_ devil:

    that being said, i'm interested where this will go. the demos from Adobe's site (OP's link?) aren't so impressive
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    Of course it duplicates the functionality of flash. It's part of the environment. Thats like saying java duplicates the functionality of AJAX.

    Also since the later updates they have improved the speed. Also it's up to the developer to keep the program up to speed and keep it from being clunky. In fact I still find Java to be more "slow and clunky" than AIR does especially on other platforms.

    The big difference is that it is a standalone runtime environment that allows you to run a program independent of a web browser. I guess if you have no problem running web applications then this wouldn't be a big deal.

    However AIR on a mobile platform will allow you to run applications natively while giving greater functionality of being able to use more phone resources, not just what the browser allows you to.

    Of course nothing in AIR is unduplicable from a natively coded application but what it does is gives a decent cross platform environment to develop programs so you can have a greater distribution with less work overall.

    I am not an Adobe fanboy. However the stigma of flash is due to incapable software developers. With the exception of a couple security holes (some of which are still open), flash has still been on the edge of development. Flash is a privately developed platform which allows it to push ahead instead of something like HTML which is voted on by members for standardization and distribution.

    However developing AIR couldn't destroy the "stigma of Flash" because Flash is integral to AIR applications.

    I would say that Adobe isn't horrible at developing such software because of the distribution of said software. They are the market leader. With the finalization of HTML5 (which will duplicate some flash features with <canvas>) you will see another development in the Adobe camp to keep it up to date.

    Flash has it's flaws but most I see are from developers then on Adobe side.
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    Yes I posted in that thread and wanted to seperate the flash plugin and AIR topic.

    For you the difference between flash and AIR is that with flash you could watching the video in a browser with flash and limited to the browser. However with AIR you could watch the same video in it's own application and allow you to have personalization settings (bandwith, color, scrolling sports scores, social networking, ETC) . The main functionality is duplicated of course but the environment factor is increased significantly in AIR.
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    I'm not intimately familiar, but since Adobe owns flash, wouldn't have made sense just to provide a container for Flash to allow it to run natively, rather than build an entire new technology to provide the same thing? It already exists in the development environment.

    My biggest issue here is more the clunkiness, not the speed. I sure hope I never use a big enough app written for AIR that the speed is an issue. I use a Mac at home and pretty much every app follows Apple's design guidelines and it provides a very unified environment. AIR doesn't fit in it at all, and I have no reason to expect it would on mobile platforms. Microsoft is dumb enought to think they should start breaking that unified appearance with their own apps, so I doubt a Windows user would take much notice.

    True but... I get the distinct feeling Apple, at least, won't allow it on the iPhone. The very concent pretty clearly violates their no-interpreted-code rule. See: no Java. Many people's reaction will be "who cares? we aren't using the iPhone" but, assuming I'm right, there will still be at least 2 mobile platforms to develop for, and based on app sales stats, AIR isn't much more likely to draw many more developers than Android was before.

    I don't disagree with this at all. Same as Javascript, really. I didn't mean to imply Flash was bad, but there definitely is a stigma associated with it.

    I think they are the leader by default. Flash was already hugely successful before Adobe bought it from Macromedia, and they haven't really done much to improve it since. With the only incentive to switch to Silverlight being political/financial, it's had no competition.

    Anyway, what that stemmed from was my extreme bitterness toward Acrobat reader, the most bloated, slow, piece of garbage software I've ever used (though Office 2007 is a huge step in that direction). The market they invented. Adobe can't do its own bread and butter right. There are a dozens of freeware PDF readers that are significantly better than Adobe's own. It's hard for me to take anything else they do seriously when they can screw that up so completely.
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    Well AIR is basically just a container that extends the functionality by adding in the other stuff. The core of most AIR applications is flash.

    I agree with you. I don't care for Apple but the point you make is valid point. AIR would suck for a unified environment on a desktop. Apple spends a lot of time to make sure that unified environment is intact. I think in the mobile environment this is more a moot point. Since these apps will mostly be full screen items and the experience is hardly shared anyways. For instance on my droid there are a couple of programs that block the notification bar and some that incorporate it. Each program has it's own designers idea of what the interface should look like as well. The iPhone is a little better at this but the phone that does this the best is webOS phones. They have very specific specifications to their apps to get approved with overall phone functionality. p



    If I recall correctly that flash can be used on the iPhone through Adobe iPhone packager. I am not that familar with Apples development policies however from what I have read is that AIR applications will be able to be compiled withe packager as well. So who knows.


    I agree with you here again. I think the development of flash has stalled quite a bit. Then again I am not sure whats in this next release of flash 10.1. I think Adobe with a market in the mobile environment facing a steeper competition with natively code apps might step up the game. This is of course is wishful thinking that exists in the same universe where I ride a unicorn that eats gum drops and poops rainbows to work.

    Well the PDF is the industry standard for rich text applications. Their native reader sucks (although it has gotten better recently, maybe I have just bought faster computers). However the PDF cut Microsoft off from owning the industry standard that was just as awful and constantly changing and requiring updates (.doc). At least I know with a PDF when I open it up it will constantly be the same and look the same no matter what program I open it up in or what OS.

    I guess we will see. I share a lot of your same sentiments I just am on the optimistic side of things.
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