3g getting slower and slower, yet we pay the same...

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    Oh, sorry... I have blinders on, I have a DX so I have a hard time seeing the big picture. I forget that every mod available for my device isn't applicable to the rest. Well... that sucks for those who can't do anything about being throttled... the whole reason I switched from AT&T to Verizon was to get better service, I would be really pissed if I kept getting a throttled connection, I guess we are getting bullied to hop on the 4G band wagon.

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    No hard feelings :D but yes it does suck. I think a 5 GB cap as a 10 dollar minimum would be acceptable...not these crazy **** prices
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    Thanks :) Unfortunately for you, Verizon is well aware of their market share and I don't think they give a **** if a few customers get pissed off. Free market and perfect competition principles simply don't apply to companies as massive as Verizon... I mean, who else is a viable competitor? AT&T? Lol.

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    Most people (the 90% or so with little to no travel) have at least one other good option where they live.

    This is the tricky part of all this. They know they'll lose some customers, and that's fine. But when you factor in that the average customer is $100 a month (voice + data), there's not much margin for error when you try to squeeze even just $10 more out of us. You'd have to sign-up 10 people to the more expensive plan for every one you lose just to break even.
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    Yea your logic is spot on, but I'm saying Verizon has so many customers that they literally don't care if they lose one and they are not replaced. Why do you think they have dropped every good policy they have; no more 30 day trials, no more 2 year upgrades, no more unlimited data without being throttled... Verizon literally doesn't have any nice benefits for users, their platform is just, "we're Verizon **** we rule the air!" Lol. They are so far in the green that all they care about is maintaining their market share (relatively)... if they lose customers, it doesn't mean much to them. If any other company had a comparable amount of tower infrastructure I would switch... but they don't.

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    The first two are pretty trivial ($70 over 2 years?!?, lol). The third, only Sprint offers unlimited and unthrottled(?) data, and they are also the worst of the major players.

    It's really hard to say how much more expensive VZW has been, but for me it's maybe $5 a month. And we have seen them offer a variety of promotions and change some pricing to be more competitive.

    I just don't see the evidence that VZW has really gouged its customers. They might hit us with an extra $50-$100 for an LTE phone, but LTE is supposedly 50% faster than Sprint 4G and 2-3x faster than HSUPA+. My gut feeling is the market will be pretty price sensitive. All else equal we'll choose the faster LTE, but I'd be surprised if VZW can get much more than $5 out of it because the other speeds are still very good. 3mbps, in my experience, is more than adequate for browsing with more speed mattering mostly for video, so if you're capped or throttled the extra speed really has little value to you.
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    I'm getting dropped left & right lately, drawing blank screens, not available try again. I pay 30 for unlitited data, that is where I think they gouge, the data! At least show me a 3g right now, instead on 1 bar wtfrig is this?

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    I'm hoping LTE isn't to much more money, I would like faster internet, it would restore my happiness with VZN. I don't think they have gouged their customers, they just aren't trying as hard because at this point they don't have to. And I hate throttling! I don't care that everyone does it, that just means everyone is screwing us. Hopefully LTE will be so fast it won't matter.

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    Do you have 'g' router you can turn up and use for your phone? Connent the 'g' router to the 'n' router and give it a IP address. From there try connecting your phone to that router. Might do the trick and you do not have to mess with your other devices.
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    With unlimited LTE people will drop home broadband (that's been my dream!). And VZW will happily take that extra $50 I spend on home broadband. Problem is when I do that, my usage goes from 2 gigs a month to 30gigs. If a lot of people do that, there are only so many towers they can put up (rights/licenses is the issue, not cost) before capacity/service becomes an issue.

    The reality is 1 HD Netflix movie streamed over my PS3 is about 3 gigs. So 4 movies a month and several hours of slingbox action....do the math. Or let's really game the system and drop cable tv....Now I'm doing over 100gigs a month.
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    Its the iPhone guys. Before I was getting 800 kbps consistently at my house. Now download speeds are all over the place and I'm lucky to get 600. I don't even know why it effects me but I guess everyone in rural Kansas needs an iPhone now.

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    @Kodiak
    If I'm not mistaken arent they able to install 4G technology on all their preexisting 3G towers? Or are the laws/rights not actually governed by physical tower infrastructure but rather "air space" of 4G frequencies... or some bs like that?

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    Probably, but there's still a finite number of towers they can get up in a given area. But even if LTE has 10X the capacity of 3G (just based on throughput, and probably more than that), you can see a problem with usage going from 2gigs to 30gigs (or 100).

    Netflix and other video gets further compressed going to a smartphone. From that perspective, it would be really tough to burn thru 10 gigs (without torrents). But I don't want to HDMI out compressed video to a 50" plasma. And if I tether a computer or PS3 I would guess it doesn't d/l as compressed of video.

    480p is fine for a phone, but it's gotta be 720 for tablets...and so, what, 3 movies and you're done, no more HD video for the month?
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    And that is what kills me. How expensive/hard is it to provide even half of LTEs bandwidth over an LTE network? Ive said this before, but back in 96/97 it cost a company literally 37 cents a month to maintain and handle a dial up connection, while charging 20/30 bucks.
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    Hmmm....They connect their towers to hard wires, right? And the cable companies own those pipes, right (and VZW in a few cases)?

    So who gets very upset if VZW offers unlimited LTE and I cancel my $50 home broadband?
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    I just pulled 3 tests in a row at 2000 mbps and higher with 700 mbps up. It early in the morning on a Sunday but that's better speeds than in the past. It was pulling it from a server 50 miles away in Syracuse, NY....not a small city and ppl all over around here have iPhones.

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    Yeah, I ran 3 more tests....Pulled averages of 1000, 800 and 500 in off-peak....Around the 700kbps I've seen in the past.

    First I've checked it in months. VZW's whining of capacity constraints looks real. But I'm on wifi so much between work and home that they won't squeeze much more $$$ out of me.
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    I'm not a genius in this area at all but I thought that part of the issue was to supply more bandwith and in fact major cell carriers were getting a lot of new bandwith was coming from television switching to digital from analog and that carriers wold be using this space to broadcast with. Literally free airspace. Seems to me like if they were doing that it wouldn't have extra cost issues. And with all the analog space out there open (and can be used for digital broadcast) they wouldn't have any carrier network issues.
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    It angers me how much we pay and the inconsistency in service we get. I thought I hated Comcast, but I'm slowly getting there with Verizon.

    The tiered service plans that are coming make me want to punch a kitten. When does it stop? We get nickel and dimed for everything. Really, is my cell phone usage worth 100+ dollars a month? Do I really use that much to warrant that price? (this is WITH a 22% corporate discount!!)


    Sigh.
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    Small town in Utah. I would bet 90 percent of population (8000 people) is running Verizon, since AT&T is only EDGE and has no real service area; Sprint has decent speeds but very limited coverage area. I'm not complaining.
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