.32 users, you might not know it, but you have a small problem...

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    So its finally become apparent that the kernel versions btw .32 and .34 are not the same, despite someone swearing they were and then everyone else saying the same thing just cuz one person said it. Are they the same operationally? Probably. But the version numbers are different, and that's enough to cause compatibility issues for OTA's and maybe even full SBF's (although it's been suggested that full sbf's do not check for specific kernel versions).

    What does this mean? Well, for those of you who upgraded to the leak .32 (bootloader/kernel and all), you can install a .34 rom, it will work fine, and for all operational purposes, you'll be at the same place as people who OTA'd to .34. But what some people on .32 don't realize is that this isn't putting their kernel on the .34 version, only their system. What's it mean? You could have severe problems next time you try to OTA in the future.... BEST CASE scenario is you get "the update failed", rather than a brick.

    So what you .32 users need is a way back to .15, so that you can OTA to .34 and get back on track. A FULL (not system only) .34 sbf might work, assuming (and hoping) that it doesn't check for a specific kernel. But we need to get one in order to test that. Otherwise, you could be looking at a mass bricking for .32 users at the release of gingerbread OTA.

    Can someone who knows P3Droid plz ask him for the way back that he swore he has but that everyone thought we wouldn't need?
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    Do you have screenies to prove it?

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    I don't have screens, but you can ask any dev who knows what he's talking about. The kernels have dif version number.
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    It would be nice to have actual proof (pictures, quoted conversation...).

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    Pictures of what? The Gingerbread OTA failing? I think we'll have to wait on that...

    Quoted conversations with who? Motorola? We know what P3 has said, but until there's a new patch, we won't see any proof. For now it's just speculation, but I would think that having different kernel numbers would be a huge issue when an OTA is going to be looking for a specific one...
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    why i stayed away from the leak....and wont update to 2.3.340 until a full SBF is available. Now, if u are a DX user who doesnt care about rooting your phone then go right ahead and not worry....but if u care u r playing with fire till its available. Just my opinion.
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    That's what Im talking about, a screenie of the ota kernel and the one users who used the leak are on, or a conversation with a dev showing what the kernel should be.

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    ^2x that!

    But it makes sense to me that this situation could occur for .32 users.
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    Oh... well this is pretty simple... the kernel for the OTA is:

    2.6.32.9-g55626e1
    w30471@il93lnxdroid08 #1

    I'll look for the .320 kernel...
    Edit: .320 kernel is:

    2.6.32.9-gca645b6
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    Here... this took me like 30 sec of looking through recent Droid X threads....

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    ^^^But warez THE PROOF?!
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    i hope everyone knows this isnt gingerbread.... its 2.2.1 (updated froyo)
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    Yes. My GB reference was talking of a future, as yet unplanned OTA.

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    Help a new user understand the issue here, bare with my ignorance but I'm learning. Everyone freaked out that once on the 320 leak they were screwed and stuck once the release was discovered to be 340. I understand boot loader version issues etc to some point but if 320 updated to the same bootloader as the pending ota and that ota has the same system as this system only sbf im on now than why are there still worries? Lets say .400 ota comes out after this one in two months shouldn't it work ota? And now even on the system only sbf I am able to sbf back to 320 via bootloader so we already have a lifeline so what's the big deal? And why is the gloom and doom scenarios so prevolent when there will just be another sbf out for whatever comes out in the future. Just seems to me after sifting through a thousand threads that all we lose is the ability to hit the ota button and have to update via clockwork forever which isn't a big deal really. Break the fears down for us non devs please.

    Worst case scenario is foot meets x and assurian gets a claim...poof new phone on ota.
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    Ok. You updated to leaked .32. What you have after that: .32 bootloader, .32 kernel, .32 system. Then, from there you installed a .34 rom. Roms will only change your system, not your bootloader or kernel. Now you have: .32 bootloader (but since this is the same as .34's bootloader, lets call it the .34 bootloader), .32 kernel (not the same as .34's kernel), .34 system.

    So why is this a problem? Well the .34 OTA checks to make sure you have a .15 bootloader/kernel/system before allowing itself to install, this is why .32 leak users could not OTA even if they flashed a .15 rom beforehand, because the .15 rom only changes to a .15 system, but you're still on a .34 bootloader and .32 kernel. This is how OTA's have always worked, and it's likely that a future OTA will work in a similar fashion (the next OTA will probably be gingerbread, that's why it was mentioned). It will check for a .34 bootloader/kernel/system. Anyone who installed .32 cannot change their kernel away from .32 (as of right now), and therefore will not be able to use the OTA in the future. If they try, they could find themselves bricking.

    The biggest problem out of all of this is that one guy (who I won't mention so as to not start a flame war) said "the bootloaders and kernels are the same between .32 and .34", and then everyone started saying it after that, because they trusted him. Those people started making other people believe them, because they were trusting. Well, its obvious now more than ever that he didn't really know for sure, but the problem is that too many people who were on .32 and then installed a .34 rom are walking around thinking that they're now on .34, when their kernel is different. They might still be thinking this next time they try to OTA, and their droid x might brick.

    Some people are saying that a .34 sbf will fix it, because it might not look at kernel. I hope this is true, but I am worried it might not be. Although there is evidence that it is true (the full .32 sbf will work on a .34 ota user, even though the kernels are different).

    The easiest and most surefire way to get .32 users back on the OTA track is to have them revert back to .15, then OTA to .34, then install the rom they want. P3Droid says he has a way back, someone needs to ask him to release it already....
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    Awesome reply thanks! Coming from blackberry I'm surprised there is no way to wipe the phones bootloader and all and install a truly full system loader and all. Last question would be if gingerbread chimed out at some point as say 3.0. Since it stands to reason all new phones will be manufactured with 3.0 do you think something will become available as a full phone setup image to fix all components rather than just patches like these supplemental updates? Surely a new ui won't have 2.2 base files required?
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    I see this as being totally up to moto... but honestly, with thier take ont he whole locked bootloader... gl with more opening of anything. :S
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    Well with all that said I honestly felt the risks were explained prior to the first leak and I did it anyway in the hopes that the community as a whole would figure out a solution. I still believe the people working on cracking the kernal will succeed at done point and people are trying their best. If that means sitting on rubix 1.9 I can live with it given the rom is light years better than stock. Motorola will have to realize the brick returns could be eliminated if they just give up locking down open source software. TBH may have misled some but honestly the term"leak" says it all. There are three ends to this game. 1. Community will overcome. 2. With lte coming online you're sol as the 3g phones dwindle into memory and you live with the newest rom you can till upgrade. 3. Say its stolen for insurance replacement or purposely brick and return the phone to store taking you chances. I loaded the leak so honesty is my choice till renew or fix is found. But in the end noone is truly screwed...except maybe moto.
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    Well I seen this so here it is.
    over on p3's site.
    A few posts down below his. 34 patch post.

    Ok a person uploaded a full back up from a brand new phone.
    thing is this phone had the new bootloader.
    But was running. 15
    So people we're posting thank you along with other info
    Just something to check out.
    Look into this info.
    There was no way of going back but then how could .15 be loaded.
    I seen it as this guy somehow got a new phone with the new bootloader.
    That had 1.5 installed.
    So this back up would allow the load of 1.5 because it was made with the
    new bootloader.

    Edit http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...tloader-30-04-w-system-version-2-3-151-a.html
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    Might the easiest way be, as you suggest, to sbf .34 when that full sbf comes out? that's only a matter of time. why are you rep pried it won't work?
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