Let's remember to keep it respectful while posting...
I am not saying get rid of one clicks because I agree they are useful and serves a purpose. Just like you said, if you had to go back to stock for some reason it is a quick method to root. I used z4 and super once lick a lot when I had to either recieve an ota or I had to return my phone for hardware issues. So I am not saying get rid of them and I am not telling people not to use them. My op was not meant to bang people on the head but to teach. Basically if the shoe fits wear it, if you know how to use adb and you understand the process then continue on. If you do not understand adb and you would like to so you can feel comfortable about what is going on then as a community we need to continue to educate. This community is gonna go where we take it. For the elitist people who have the feeling that "if you cant use adb then dont root", we are beyond that now because people are using one clicks. So instead of being acommunity against one another lets get it together. This is not meant to rid one-clicks but to educate people how to do it through adb and allow people to know what is going on.
I took it in that spirit pc747, and I think it's a worthy endeavor. I just wanted you to know that there are ADB n00bs out here like me who would appreciate any educational assistance you'd care to give.
I agree it can be very helpful. Just don't tell me me I'm the downfall of the community. If that's the case we shouldn't use rom manager either.
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I agree with you guys Ive rooted 5 phones so far. The first two a DX and D2 with whatever was available at the time 2nd two Z4 and the TB easy root. I would love to learn the hard way but its scarry when you dont know what the hell your doing. You guys are of so much help when you get stuck I wish I could do the same for other people. Like somebody said stock is almost as good as root but the rush you get from rooting and flashing roms and kernels in my mind is worth the risk. Besides that Im retired and got the time to do it. Thanks
The platform is still in relative infancy. Developers are pushing the envelope to deliver better tools (one click root exploit, ROM Manager, kernel manager, etc) to the masses. This means EVERYONE. Not just the people who want to learn every technical detail about their phone. Because the platform isn't very mature, your mileage may vary with ANY software released.
What I don't get is the people who complain that "person X used a one-click root and I had to help them recover their phone." You made a choice to help them. If you feel it was a waste of your time, perhaps you will make a different choice in the future. I'm sure the person you helped wasn't nearly as savvy as you, and was very appreciative that you were able to save their device and help.
With that said, I do agree with the OP that knowledge is power and knowing is half the battle and all that fun stuff. I think you can find a lot of instances on various message boards where the helpers come across as condescending and that can scare people / intimidate people as well. It is an interesting social division. The geeks will share but only if you follow their word to the letter. Any deviation will cause you derision and humiliation. Like some kind of twisted D&D game in mom's basement. I have to go find my 12-sided die now.
When Rom Manager was initially released for the droid it was buggy and was not allowing people to get into recovery. This was causing a lot of panic even after the developer released a solution. Rom Manager has gotten much better.
@ SwaggerJacker no one is saying you or anyone who do not understand adb is the downfall of the community. You are coming in here with the wrong attitude. The point is to teach not to bash. I dont care if people use one clicks or not what I want to do is educate people so they know what is happening so they do not panic if the script in a ine click app fail. I used a one click to root my tbolt and it failed half way through, I knew adb so was able to pick up where it left off. Learning what is going on can help you in the long wrong. You are hacking your phone which voids your warranty, these devices retail from 400+. I would think you would want to know how to recover your device if something goes wrong. All the roms I have flashed over the past 2 years, I have had to recover my device 25% of the time, whether it be the rom, me leaving out a step, or getting stuck at the Boot logo.
@Immolate: I am currently working on some adb guides I hope to have it compeete or atleast ready to be posted by mid week.
To all reading this thread: We are not here to bash you. A lot of us are no different from you. We just want to educate people so they can feel good and have a basic understanding what is happening to your device. You pay good money for your device you owe it to yourself to understand what is happening.