Let's Talk (why one clicks are not helping)

[dvgb173]

To answer the OP's original question:
I first encountered the need for ADB when i rooted my D1 January 2010. What threw me about ADB was some of the early guides to rooting. They pointed the user to download SDK. This is a very intimidating piece of software to a noob. As least it is to me. What I didn't realize was that you didn't actually need to install this to use ADB. Just extract the files to a folder. Most windows users can do that easily.

Only after upgrading to the Tbolt, did I re-visist this again. That is when I found a more clearly stated guide.

And you are all correct. ADB is not very scary after you actually use it once.

[Immolate]

I think it's great that you want to teach others to use ADB and become competent with the technology. But it's a lot more work to write a good tutorial than it might seem. I think it's the perfect project for a community with a lot of knowledgeable people in it to conspire to create a polished, user-friendly guide to doing something that appears complex on the surface. Of course it's simple once you know what you're doing. Landing a 747 is simple once you know what you're doing. Don't try this at home, kids.

Starting off a project like a collaborate guide is as simple as putting together an outline of the process and then inviting people to start helping to fill in the blanks.

FYI, I've used ADB before, but it's been a long time and I've forgotten more than I remember. I'd love to have something to guide me through the learning process as well. I believe the more people learn how to master their phone, the stronger the community becomes. Thanks for starting this thread.

[Laur3nNewm4n]

You bought the phone, do whatever you want to it. One click, get all hacker fancy, whatever. Just don't send it back to Verizon if you goofed up. That's all I ask. If people want to learn, super. If not, that's great too.

[SwaggerJacker]

You guys need to pump your brakes. I'd learn adb IF I had to. I don't, therefore I use the easy method. Go form your own little oligarchy and adb to your hearts content.

We are no more a threat than you the developers. I hope the soap box you're preaching from isn't built entirely on your ego. You might hurt something.

But you're prepared for such an occasion because you've learned to repair a compound fracture. A doctor would be the lazy way to fix it. Get over yourselves.

Duke
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[spaz33g]

i have personally seen the kind of damage that one clicks can cause. for instance i definitely noticed a spike in users doing damage to their phone after z4root was released. now don't get me wrong, it's a great tool, but too many people root their phone the easy way and then figure "oh that was easy, maybe i'll do some more stuff" then they jump in to a situation they aren't ready for.

but even beyond just learning to root "the hard way" because it teaches you what you are actually doing, it will also teach you stuff that will help later on. for instance adb; it's used for a ton of things so why not learn it now when it's really not all that difficult. also, look at the droid 1. if you root using the sbf method then now you know how to sbf, which is more than i can say about a lot of people. that way if you screw up you don't have to worry about finding someone to help, you already know what you're doing.

[SwaggerJacker]

I'm must admit, when put in a non accusatory way, it does sound like fun. I like tinkering.

Duke

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[mkjellgren]

I definitely agree with the op to a point. Personally, I wouldn't say that ALL use of one-clicks are not helping, I would say that UNINFORMED use of one-clicks is not helping. For someone like myself and many others here who have always done things the "long" way with adb, one-click root/unroot solutions are very convenient. If you ever run into a situation where you lost root and need to re-root or you have to unroot, one-clicks are really slick. Apps and programs like this are good for the development community. Any development is good development. The problem in my opinion is when someone becomes I interested in rooting, they tend to gravitate towards the easiest, most idiot proof means to their ends and they dive in head first without knowing what they are getting themselves into. There are countless posts in every section (involving root) of this forum with posts such as "just rooted with [insert one-click here] now what?!?!?!" My point is not to be a snob or some geek elite, in fact I am quite the opposite. I'm not a developer, I don't know java or anything like that. Android is simply a hobby of mine, I do the best that I can with the knowledge that I have and am always interested in learning more. I do however feel that it is in the best interest of not only the end user, but the developers, trouble shooters, and the Android community as a whole that we all take the time to try to understand what we are doing and why. It's not just one-clicks either. ROM flashing apps (i.e. ROM manager) and root specific file explorers are tremendous tools in the right hands, but with great power comes great responsibility. The best thing we as a community can do is strive to become as knowledgeable as possible and encourage others to the same.

*end rant...*

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[FreeTrader]

Hey There I rooted Via one of the one click methods Because i Have Win 7 & couldn't figure out how To Run ADB / sdk on my pc tried everything i could think of short of Trying to run Xp on a 7 machine ? LoL

Not sure how to do that either ? Some sort of VM is needed i do know that much Couldn't figure out how to do
it & didn't wanna Pay for the
Full Ver of VM ??? $$$$ LoL

Any way Got my Motorola i1 ( Boost Mobile ) Rooted so i Could

"Mod " / Rename some Files Via ( Rootexplorer ) Great Prog

Now an still looking for a Foolproof way to Backup My phone

" Stock " Backup & then maybe I'll DL & Play W some New rom's

But not before i Back it up ,,,, Could Somebody Please Help

Tried looking for SpRecovery & or Clockwork Etc .

But am SCARED TO Flash anything to my Phone Without knowing what it will do & if i can save a stock Backup First ???? Etc

Again Please Help !!!! Thanx .... Ftr

[Natey2]

Is this a good analogy?

One-click root is like an automatic transmission.
Adb is like stick-shift.

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[Natey2]

Why do I need to root my phone to do some basic things, like making a complete backup?

Poor OS architecture on Google's part. Hiding necessary APIs under the cover of root privilege...

Under Windows Mobile 6, I could do image backups using Sprite.
No phone-hacking necessary.
With Android, I need to root first then use Titanium Backup?

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