RAZR MAXX First Use - Experts help please!

[DamianD]

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A one year mistake since the Razr is out, mistake made again with MAXX?
And why all the people from de Tech Dept of Motorola recommend to first charge for minimum 12h?? I spoke at least with 15 different members in 3 months, both from the USA and Europe. Just one of them thinks it's not necessary to give so much attention to the number of charging hours.

[cobravnm13]

A one year mistake since the Razr is out, mistake made again with MAXX?
And why all the people from de Tech Dept of Motorola recommend to first charge for minimum 12h?? I spoke at least with 15 different members in 3 months, both from the USA and Europe. Just one of them thinks it's not necessary to give so much attention to the number of charging hours.

That's Motorola. The 12 hours they're refering to is to "make dam* good sure it's right." The main reason for charging a battery to 100% is not just to make sure it's good and charged, but to make sure that your battery icon displays the accurate amount of time/charge you have left to use the phone. If you don't, as stated by a couple of previous posters, your battery indicator will display false readings and potentially leave you "high and dry." Someone said that you could have the indicator read as having 50% battery, but without calibration (charging it to 100% before your first initial use) it could actually be around 20% or less. And if used for extended periods without the battery and indicator being IN SYNC, you could destroy the battery, and potentially the phone itself. That will happen because the phone is pulling juice from the battery that the battery literally does not have. That's like trying to operate a gasoline engine on fumes. It doesn't work. Whether they're Li-ion or Li-Po, is doesn't matter. The meter and battery level need to be in sync.

Most of the information I have used is referencing FoxKat. His knowledge is astounding and comes in handy.

[FoxKat]

That's Motorola. The 12 hours they're refering to is to "make dam* good sure it's right." The main reason for charging a battery to 100% is not just to make sure it's good and charged, but to make sure that your battery icon displays the accurate amount of time/charge you have left to use the phone. If you don't, as stated by a couple of previous posters, your battery indicator will display false readings and potentially leave you "high and dry." Someone said that you could have the indicator read as having 50% battery, but without calibration (charging it to 100% before your first initial use) it could actually be around 20% or less. And if used for extended periods without the battery and indicator being IN SYNC, you could destroy the battery, and potentially the phone itself. That will happen because the phone is pulling juice from the battery that the battery literally does not have. That's like trying to operate a gasoline engine on fumes. It doesn't work. Whether they're Li-ion or Li-Po, is doesn't matter. The meter and battery level need to be in sync.

Most of the information I have used is referencing FoxKat. His knowledge is astounding and comes in handy.

You guys and girls make me so proud!

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[DamianD]

Then it seems to be simple; what I have to do look like this:
-take the phone out of the box, power off of course, put it to charge for 12 hours (to be a load of 100% safe). After 12 hours turn it on and using the phone until it reaches 15%. Then power it off again, charging 4-5 hours for a 100% and then using it to 15%...and...it's ready! It will be the accurate by the book battery operation ever
If I missed something please notify me right away!

Now I just have to wait for the courier to making the delivery...

[cobravnm13]

Then it seems to be simple; what I have to do look like this:
-take the phone out of the box, power off of course, put it to charge for 12 hours (to be a load of 100% safe). After 12 hours turn it on and using the phone until it reaches 15%. Then power it off again, charging 4-5 hours for a 100% and then using it to 15%...and...it's ready! It will be the accurate by the book battery operation ever
If I missed something please notify me right away!

Now I just have to wait for the courier to making the delivery...

That is 100% percent correct. Looks like you're 100% charged now.

Sent from my 3rd reincarnation of the ever-so-lovable Droid

[cobravnm13]

But don't forget to charge it back up after that last 25%.

Sent from my 3rd reincarnation of the ever-so-lovable Droid

[FoxKat]

A one year mistake since the Razr is out, mistake made again with MAXX?
And why all the people from de Tech Dept of Motorola recommend to first charge for minimum 12h?? I spoke at least with 15 different members in 3 months, both from the USA and Europe. Just one of them thinks it's not necessary to give so much attention to the number of charging hours.

The advice they are giving you verbally about charging 12-15 hours is right for other types of batteries, namely Nickel Cadmium and Nickel Metal-Hydride, but is completely wrong for Lithium based batteries, of which the ones on your phone, specifically Lithium Ion Polymer Pouch Packs (LIPO Pouch). LI batteries can not even withstand charging for such an extremely long period of time. Doing do can result in the battery self-destructing. The battery isn't expandable like a balloon, it can only hold as much current and voltage as it can hold safely, and any excessive charging is damaging to the battery, unlike for example Lead Acid batteries which actually perform best if left on charge constantly. Also, the charging circuitry knows this and terminates charging once the battery reaches the optimum voltages and from then on, simply monitors the voltage, resuming charging for short portions of time if it decreases to about 90% off capacity.

The owners manual which is prepared by the same engineers who are involved in the design of the phone and battery charging system says 3 hours for the first charge, with power off, so who do you think is right, the technicians or the engineers?

Now, as for why you need to charge first with power off to 100%, many here have explained very well the reasons, but it comes down to two things, if the phone's meter doesn't know what a 100% charged battery looks like, it can't properly shut down charging once it's full. The first charge let's the battery reach full saturation levels and lets the meter set the full flag so it can use that information again in the future to show accurate charge levels. Without knowing what a discharged battery looks like, it also can't tell when to signal that charging is necessary. The combination of knowing full and empty enables it to provide relatively accurate indication of how much charge is remaining at any given time.

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[DamianD]

Probably I look like one who has OCD but it was extremely difficult for me after more than 7 years of using Razr V3i & Razr V8/V9 with extended battery and charge them every 10-12 days, even after two weeks in moderate use, then I buy a Razr XT910 - 3 times more expensive then any device I had and be forced to wear and care and be aware of his battery status daily! And walking with its charger on my pocket every day...it's shameful.
Now it will be for the second time I buy the most expensive device and I really need to get 101% of his performances.

[DamianD]

The UK user guide for the exactly same phone list a 5.5 hours for the first charge, information also listed on the Razr Maxx profile...

[FoxKat]

Unfortunately these smartphones are far more demanding of the battery and until the batteries become many times more efficient and/or the phone circuit learns how to sip power instead of gulp it, they will never be able to compete with the earlier "dumb" phones.

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