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  1. Master Droid
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    Has anyone ever told you trants that your a smart mofo? lol well if they haven't then i will, your absolutely correct about everything you said. I totally agree.. now for mine.

    When it comes to holding value as an android device Samsung seems to be doing the best in that department. hTc isnt far behind them. Moto is slowly making a comeback though, i think they are betting on the new wave of devices to bring them back. The Bionic burned alot of people, including me. The RAZR sold well and the HD was good too. But neither of them brought them to where they need to be. Lets see what the new wave of motos are like, but the S4 is a great choice, itll hold its value well into next year, as well as the One (when it does come to verizon).

    Dare i say this but, since the Moto X is supposed to launch this fall, that would put it going head to head with the iPhone 5S and/or iPhone 6. Soooo we all know what happens there...not even going into that trash lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Jedi View Post
    Has anyone ever told you trants that your a smart mofo? lol well if they haven't then i will, your absolutely correct about everything you said. I totally agree.. now for mine.

    When it comes to holding value as an android device Samsung seems to be doing the best in that department. hTc isnt far behind them. Moto is slowly making a comeback though, i think they are betting on the new wave of devices to bring them back. The Bionic burned alot of people, including me. The RAZR sold well and the HD was good too. But neither of them brought them to where they need to be. Lets see what the new wave of motos are like, but the S4 is a great choice, itll hold its value well into next year, as well as the One (when it does come to verizon).

    Dare i say this but, since the Moto X is supposed to launch this fall, that would put it going head to head with the iPhone 5S and/or iPhone 6. Soooo we all know what happens there...not even going into that trash lol...
    Jeez, you're awfully kind. Thanks!!!

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    my 2c,
    i say, get something that has been out a little while, like a month or 3. that way you can see user reports and bugs, also dev interest. if you want to mod the phone you will already know who is on board and how the dev pool is growing or not.
    if you wait for the next best thing, well there will always be the next best thing as stated before. in doing so your basically going in blind and hoping it wont be a flop, or get limited dev support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetrants View Post
    (4) There is a lot of buzz coming now from Motorola, but anyone who reads my posts here knows I ALWAYS play the "emperor's new clothes" card which means I...just...don't...get it. I do not think that either the new Droid or the X lines will be noteworthy. Both campaigns will die about a week after launch. (Though, admittedly, the hype coming from the Googorola machine right now over the software capabilities of the X, e.g., "situational awareness" and "dedicated-chip power management" sound promising. But if the launch is sometime this fall, we should be seeing "blow your mind" trade show demos right now, and the fact that we're not means the technology simply doesn't exist -- I really think it's all talk and marketing hype.)
    Initially I agreed with this assessment, and even shunned the device... but the most recent developments seem to put it all into perspective and make sense. Googorola isn't shooting for the moon right now, they're actually playing into a market that is bursting at the seams even without anything decent to drive it... the low budget market, and they're beating the iCrap Mini to the punch. The only options that have really been available are either junk hardware for cheap prices or $650 for the current flagship, and that model has remained unchanged for years. Until now, the X will be one of the most heavily adopted phones of all time despite the fact that it's inferior to the flagships on paper because Google has given Moto upwards of half a billion dollars in marketing, which is enough to sell snake-oil by the gallons. But even that wouldn't sell a old news phone for long, so they designed it to be smarter than anything on the market today...all for the (so far rumored price) of ~$200 off contract. That's the trick, this phone can be hand without a contract for a subsidized price and still be feature rich and stack-able against the flagships, not because it's got more ram or GHz, but because it's designed to be smart, not because it's got the largest marketing budget on earth for a single device, or because it's cheap...but all three are the trifecta.

    The outrageous demand that this phone should see hasn't even really been realized yet but a week after launch it will be headline news for many weeks thereafter. The trend of hyper expense for the promise of 6 months of anti-inferiority will come to an end because it can't compete against the good phone on an unbelievable budget model. When Google can give you a new phone every 4 months for the price of having a new phone once a year off contract, that is very very attractive to a lot of people. Even Apple saw the market and gave up their entire reputation to bet the farm on the iPhone Mini, and there's good reason.
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    I hope you're right. The $200 price-point would definitely make a pretty big dent -- basically the same pricing strategy as the initial Kindle Fire release, and we all know how that went. Question: how do you think it will go with Verizon? Given that the Nexus 4 never made it to VZW -- and the agonizing pace of getting a Verizon HTC One -- I have an uncomfortable suspicion that Verizon would not be so happy with a Motorola phone that (a) works on their network and (b) they don't completely control. I guess once we have the CDMA version of the X in hand, we'll know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetrants View Post
    I hope you're right. The $200 price-point would definitely make a pretty big dent -- basically the same pricing strategy as the initial Kindle Fire release, and we all know how that went. Question: how do you think it will go with Verizon? Given that the Nexus 4 never made it to VZW -- and the agonizing pace of getting a Verizon HTC One -- I have an uncomfortable suspicion that Verizon would not be so happy with a Motorola phone that (a) works on their network and (b) they don't completely control. I guess once we have the CDMA version of the X in hand, we'll know.

    -Matt
    It's been confirmed on all 4 carriers at launch, but there's always the possibility that this will be sold, unlocked, on the Play Store directly through Google. And that is precisely why I think this device will be one for the ages. If this is their strategy, it literally is genius because the masses have for the most part written Moto out even with a great flagship...this units popularity will erase all of the damage done IMO.
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    Get your wife the S4, she'll love ya for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jass View Post
    It's been confirmed on all 4 carriers at launch, but there's always the possibility that this will be sold, unlocked, on the Play Store directly through Google. And that is precisely why I think this device will be one for the ages. If this is their strategy, it literally is genius because the masses have for the most part written Moto out even with a great flagship...this units popularity will erase all of the damage done IMO.
    I like your analysis and agree with the argument, but I probably wasn't clear about my VZW question, so let me rephrase:

    Assumption 1: the Moto X is going to the 4 major carriers (VZW, AT&T, Sprint, TMo) at launch -- this is actually a fact at this point

    Assumption 2: Moto (or Google or both) will sell the device carrier-free and unlocked for an amazingly-low price

    What I'm having a hard time imagining is that given there's a CDMA version sold by VZW (and third-party affiliates like Amazon and Wirefly), it would be pretty unusual that I could go to Googorola and buy the same phone (more or less) out-the-door for (say) $200. I'm OK with Assumption 2 -- I just don't see VZW negotiating a contract with Motorola to sell the X, when they're being undersold by the manufacturer at the same time. Admittedly, this happens with the other carriers (witness the Nexus 4), but if the same business model emerged with VZW I think it would be a first.

    NOTE: I thought maybe the Galaxy Nexus that sold on the Play Store back in early 2012 included a CDMA version, but I couldn't find one -- only GSM released at $399:

    Google gets back into the phone sales business, offering Galaxy Nexus for $399 | Android Central

    IIRC Verizon kept a choke-hold on their version:

    Samsung Galaxy Nexus ad promises $199 price, hints at Nov 29th release
    My ?fake? Verizon Galaxy Nexus randomly reboots every day, let?s end the public beta test | Android and Me

    However, also see: Editorial: Is the Verizon Galaxy Nexus really a Nexus? You betcha | Android Central

    Something I'd forgotten is that there was a minor dust-up regarding Google's support of the CDMA version:

    Galaxy Nexus and other CDMA devices removed from Google Support pages
    [Update from Google] The CDMA/LTE Galaxy Nexus is no longer considered a developer device | Android and Me

    There’s been no official word from Google, but the Android Developers website tells it all. The CDMA Galaxy Nexus, codename “toro,” is no longer supported on the Android Developers website. Special CDMA radio installation and download instructions have been yanked, and factory images for the CDMA Nexus are listed as “archived, for reference only.”
    There’s no telling exactly what is going on, but it doesn’t look like a mistake. Perhaps Verizon wanted more control over the device? Maybe they needed to add more custom apps, or decided they wanted to exclusively handle the updating procedure? Whatever the case, this is a sad day for Verizon customers who thought they were buying a developer device. It’s not that this will really impact consumers for the most part, but enthusiasts will surely feel let down.
    I wasn't implying some type of VZW conspiracy theory, but I have to admit: looking back over the last 4 years, it really does seem that Verizon has opposed Google every time a carrier-free device was produced, i.e., the OG Nexus, the Galaxy Nexus, and now the Nexus 4. My growing sense is that all the stuff and nonsense about CDMA "technical difficulties" is just a cover story.

    -Matt
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    Something fascinating about this thread is the appearance of the word "Wife" in the title. A looooooooooong time ago (actually about 3 years), I had my first smartphone (OG Droid), while my wife had the cute, friendly, more-feminine HTC Droid Eris. I noticed several couples online with similar pairs of phones, so I started a poll:

    Husband-Wife Droid couples

    An interesting result was that 19 of 43 couples (44%) had the same combination of phones as my wife and me. Fancy that. At the time, the trend kinda made sense, as (I think) the popular perception was that "men like gadgets" and "women like pretty things." OK, that's a bit of an exaggeration, so maybe I should leave it at, "men and women tend to look for different features when buying a smartphone."

    Anyway, if I had to hazard a sociopolitical observation (or ooops, THOSE aren't allowed, right?) -- so let me call it a socioCULTURAL observation, it would be that in the last few years I'm seeing that women are becoming increasingly comfortable with the same phones that guys like. Another interesting trend is that this forum used to be almost exclusively guys, and now we not only have a decent number of female owners joining in, but also some remarkable female mods. I'm not sure if (a) I'm just imagining it, or (b) something is happening under the surface to help diminish the gender gap, but either way it's pretty cool. I'm really glad to see that it doesn't matter whether you're a woman or a man when you buy a smartphone -- what really matters is that it's an ANDROID and NOT AN IPHONE!!! LOL

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    My wife and my daughter are diametrically opposite. My wife has a Razr Maxx, and doesn't care to learn anything about the phone. The phone could literally sit there for weeks with application update notifications sitting in the notification bar and she won't update the apps. My daughter has the S4 and she knows pretty much every in and out about the phone. When I read online about some neat trick or tip for the phone, I will tell her and she will have had already figured it out herself.

    We keep telling my wife that she should just get an iPhone. Although to stay in the Android family, the closest to an iPhone would be Samsung. The Samsung UI is the most iPhone-like, although she doesn't care enough about gadgets to want to upgrade.
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