Possible Ways to Crack the Bootloader

[czerdrill]

No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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[nordy420]

No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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I have never posted here before, but I have been reading the debate, and would just like to add in favor of the petition that it sounds like google may step into the free my android water. My Droid World, posted a story about how google is becoming a little weary of the cell phone companies ruining the android reputation. The article talked about the comparisons of Android to Apple and how a lot of people have switched to android for the freedom. Android is not tied to a computer program for everything, but if moto or other phone providing companies had a full say, we probably would be. I am taking about crappy Itunes. I have high hopes and hope google will uphold the reputation and tells moto and all other phone companies to stick it and give the people of android what they deserve, THEIR CELLPHONES!!

[nordy420]

My Droid World Forums - Google's Android unOpen Source Project?

Here you go. The link to the article from SCRUB.

[czerdrill]

No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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I have never posted here before, but I have been reading the debate, and would just like to add in favor of the petition that it sounds like google may step into the free my android water. My Droid World, posted a story about how google is becoming a little weary of the cell phone companies ruining the android reputation. The article talked about the comparisons of Android to Apple and how a lot of people have switched to android for the freedom. Android is not tied to a computer program for everything, but if moto or other phone providing companies had a full say, we probably would be. I am taking about crappy Itunes. I have high hopes and hope google will uphold the reputation and tells moto and all other phone companies to stick it and give the people of android what they deserve, THEIR CELLPHONES!!

I want to comment on this. Now I admit, I didn't read this MDW article, nor do I plan to because I already know it's just the ramblings of someone who thinks they know what Google wants. I trust the official source always, and not some guy on a droid-centric website just ranting about stuff.

First, Google knows and encourages what the manufacturers are doing. I'll never understand why people think Google is backed into a corner, shivering and scared going "what do we do now??? these OEMs are outta control!!! They're destroying the android reputation!!!!"...that is not the case, at all. Google is fine with what the manufacturers are doing, and the manufacturers cant just put out a device that violates the Android license and Google just sits there going "oh well, that sucks, we can't do anything..."

Here is an official source: Android Developers Blog: I think I’m having a Gene Amdahl moment (http://goo.gl/7v4kf) That's the VP of engineering for Google posting that btw, pretty sure he's a better indication of what Google thinks then some guy named scrub on a site called mydroidworld.com. A quote from Rubin's blog post: "Our approach remains unchanged: there are no lock-downs or restrictions against customizing UIs. There are not, and never have been, any efforts to standardize the platform on any single chipset architecture." In other words, OEMs can do whatever they want to the software, provided they meet the basic guidelines, which everyone does and which Google has to approve.

He clearly states that he has no issue with what the manufacturers are doing, and also that all manufacturers must adhere to certain guidelines. As long as they do that, they are free to do whatever they want, however they want to the OS and to their device (including locking bootloaders to protect their changes to the source).

I know that you're just passing on what you read, man, but seriously, the misinformation has to stop. Google is not in some precarious situation where they're trying their best to deliver the ultimate android experience and they are fighting for the user's rights and the OEMs are laughing in their face.

It's ridiculous that people think that Google is some kind of superhero avenger company that only cares about its customers and is too scared to stop these evil OEMs from destroying the Android OS.

People need to stop using MDW, Android-central, DF and other droid-centric sites as their soapbox for how they think Google feels and then pass it along as fact to everyone else. It just makes the sites look foolish when they print or allow such things to be posted. I understand that there shouldn't be censoring of posts, but a little research goes a long way. Google is not some victim here, who just wanted to make people happy and let them skip holding hands through a meadow, when suddenly Motorola or HTC or Samsung came out of nowhere and just destroyed open source or something...

The hero worship extends beyond just the devs and also to Google as some infallible, philanthropic company who would do anything to convince these horrific manufacturers to uphold the Android credo, but have failed so far.

Reality check: Google is fine with the state of android, and is not going to force OEMs to change anything, nor have they lost control, nor are they in some bind where they don't know what to do because the OEMs won't listen to them and just knowingly violate the android license. The truth is while Google is a great company, at the end of the day they are just that: a company. And their goal is money, and they're making plenty of it with Android. The execs are not sitting in their boardrooms huddled together and rocking back and forth crying about the state of android...

[wssneids]

I don't know if its possible to change wut this thing can do but its pretty bad ass. http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42

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[czerdrill]

I don't know if its possible to change wut this thing can do but its pretty bad ass. Whitepixel breaks 28.6 billion password/sec - Zorinaq

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That is pretty awesome, but here's the reality of what would happen even if you were able to change what that thing could do:

Coding Horror: Brute Force Key Attacks Are for Dummies

Remember...hackers don't try to go after keys. They're smarter then that. The fact that some devs here actually think trying to crack the key is a viable solution, pretty much confirms what I've been saying all along and that is that these basement devs are NOT going to be the ones to do it...lol

And cheap plug for a blog post I wrote many moons ago, but it puts it into perspective: Bootloader

[nordy420]

You make very valid points, in which, I support a lot of them. I read the source you provided and although what you have posted does make a lot of sense, I understood it more towards consumers. I think he is talking more towards manufacturers can add their bloat and such as they like, but he mentions both consumers and developers close to your reference.

I do not know how to code or theme. I for one am happy with what we have available, because the DROID x has been my first android phone. Locked or unlocked I like it.
I was just trying to ease the tension a little because the forums have become such a gloom place lately.

[czerdrill]

You make very valid points, in which, I support a lot of them. I read the source you provided and although what you have posted does make a lot of sense, I understood it more towards consumers. I think he is talking more towards manufacturers can add their bloat and such as they like, but he mentions both consumers and developers close to your reference.

I do not know how to code or theme. I for one am happy with what we have available, because the DROID x has been my first android phone. Locked or unlocked I like it.
I was just trying to ease the tension a little because the forums have become such a gloom place lately.

I guess I was just responding to you saying that google is weary about OEMs ruining the android reputation. That's just not the case. As long as the manufacturer adheres to the basic guidelines, they are free to customize the OS anyway they want. Nothing against you, of course!

[nordy420]

Again, my response was based off of how I comprehended your reference to the situation.
I am in no way bias, and that is partially why I have not posted to this forum before this. I am good with whatever happens because as sure as it will rain, I am going to get a new device sooner or later.

[wssneids]

What about this? Different way. Kinda cool but different level of encryption. http://m.engadget.com/default/articl...sic&postPage=1

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