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    Quote Originally Posted by WugFresh View Post
    You have thoroughly made your point regarding its low probability.. or you would say infinitesimal probability. Have you considered the fact that my research might lead to new discoveries, not even regarding the encryption but regarding the bootloader itself; that my data will actually reveal something unforeseen; and that by focusing my attention towards a very narrow goal will actually be the source of discovery. What if my test shows widely different results than those that were predicted. We both agree that theory is different than practice, than practice can potentially reveal something that theory overlooked, or vice versa. Most of the world's greatest discoveries were the product of an unintentional result during unrelated experimentation.

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    I've never once denied the possibility. I have and still do deny the plausibility and probability though...
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    I concur. Again. Not going to happen. Best to devote your time to something achievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow02 View Post
    I concur. Again. Not going to happen. Best to devote your time to something achievable.
    Exactly, I feel as if this would be a detriment to getting around the bootloader rather then a benefit. Too much time will be wasted trying to do something that is essentially "impossible".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow02 View Post
    I concur. Again. Not going to happen. Best to devote your time to something achievable.
    atleast by trying there's a chance though (I know its a very very small chance but still). If everyone just gave up then it deffinately wont get cracked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13th angel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snow02 View Post
    I concur. Again. Not going to happen. Best to devote your time to something achievable.
    atleast by trying there's a chance though (I know its a very very small chance but still). If everyone just gave up then it deffinately wont get cracked.

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    Well, you don't have to give up, but in this case, there has to be a more feasible approach.

    It's like saying you have the opportunity to reach a star that is 20 light years away. You have two options, build a ship that can travel at the speed of light and get there in 20 years, or try to get there in a ship that you already have that travels at a fast speed but will still take a long unimaginable amount of time to get there. Sure, we can try to build a ship that travels at the speed of light, and if no one tried to do so it would definitely never happen, but it's not a feasible approach. To be honest, neither way is feasible (hash collisions or some workaround), but attempting to travel at light speed (hash collisions) is definitely not the way to plan this out, and using our existing ship is more "feasible" in the sense that light speed travel is impossible.

    I think i confused the issue even more with my dumb analogy...lol
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    No, you're right. The bigger problem with a hash collision approach is that just because you find a collision does not inherently make it useful. You need a collision between the item you're attempting to fake and a replacement that is not gibberish. Just finding a collision is difficult enough, finding one you can use is just not going to happen.
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    I understand what you're saying. And I very well might agree with you and look back on my suggestion and come to the same conclusion. But talking with experts never hurt. In addition to talking to my math professor I plan on talking to a quantum physicist.. because they always have a way of making the impossible seem possible.. lol.. again, thats all in theory though.. not in practice. My hope is that through my research I may be presented with an alternative approach. I do appreciate you giving me a reality check, but my goal now remains the common goal of this thread, to generate possible solution procedures to a near impossible scenario. The more I understand about what is involved the more I will be willing to give my concrete opinion on it's potential outcome. But from what you have said, I am more aware that hash collisions may not be the path to take. But I remain determined to find a solution regardless. I am curious why aliasxerog approach was halted and why reverse engineering the radio baseband drivers hasn't been achieved. Maybe a mathematical or physics related approach can be utilised to tackle that frontier. I firmly believe that if things can be built they can be reversed engineered. I will remain determined to find a solution until I hit every brick wall.. and when I do, you can say I told you so.. I don't care. If you have zero intention on solving a problem then there is a 100% chance it won't be solved. I hold to my original statement, I can offer my brain for math and science to tackle this problem. If hash collisions are out of the question then I want to reorient the approach. I will rule hash collisions out of the question when I speak to a few people, then I will shift my juxtaposition towards tackling this problem using an alternative approach. I don't think what I am doing is illogical or a waste of time, I fundamentally disagree with that statement.

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    Lol. I agree that it is the spirit. For those who have been adamantly trying to tell me no, thats it's not going to happen, if you haven't figured it out already.. convincing me of that is also not going to happen. I will remain determined to find a solution until I truly believe it can't be done. As of today I still say, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxidian View Post
    Assuming 2^52 possibilities and assuming a computer can calculate ~100/second, then I figure with ~1000 computers working on this, it will take ~1428 years. With a little bit of money, I can get access to ~1000 computers. The ~1428 years part, though, is a little more difficult.

    Do better. ;-)
    So by your math, all we'd need are roughly 10 million computers to get this done in 5-6 weeks lol.

    Your numbers assume two constants though, and possibly a third. The first are the order of magnitude of possibilities. The second would be how many hash ops per second a computer can handle, and the third would be assuming that every computer over the distributed network has a similar-speed bandwidth connection.

    With the monstrous availability of low to mid to high end parts what would you say the 'average' PC is capable of, and how exactly do you determine the average number of operations a computer is capable of? For some it might be far less than 100, for other it could be well above.

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