Droid X Bootloader Locked, Custom ROMs Unlikely
This is a discussion on Droid X Bootloader Locked, Custom ROMs Unlikely within the Droid News forums, part of the Droid News & Site News category; Droid X's have been floating around for quite some time, but only recently have they been getting in the hands of retail customers (thanks to ...
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Droid X Bootloader Locked, Custom ROMs Unlikely
Droid X's have been floating around for quite some time, but only recently have they been getting in the hands of retail customers (thanks to a few early shipments by Verizon). As a result, many questions about the device remained unanswered. One such question was whether or not the bootloader was locked by Motorola. Well, we have some disturbing news for those in the Android development community looking to make the switch to the Droid X. Birdman (a popular Moto Droid and HTC Incredible developer) has had a chance to play with a retail Droid X, and is reporting the the Motorola Droid X's bootloader is indeed encrypted, and may be locked down worse than the Milestone.
Stephen Bird, a.k.a BirdMan, goes into much further depth on what he has noticed in regards to the locked-down state of retail Droid X's:
- Units that i have asked for a system dump of do not dump all of the files, for some reason some are skipped. (even when it reports "0 files skipped")
- Production unit system dumps are PRE-deodexed. Meaning NO .odex files. (EVERY other official android release has had .odex files)
- Uses EXT3 for unknown purpose
- Has its own firewall (part of the nand protections?)
Apparently, also included in the Droid X system image are a few suspect script files, that may be behind this lock-down. He also continues to explain that the Droid X will eventually be rooted, but is less optimistic about bypassing that locked bootloader:
Q: Can we break the NAND protections that the signed + encrypted bootloader forces?
A: People will tell you that this has been done before, and indeed - custom bootloaders have been made. Other devices HAVE had this problem before and have found a way around it. Now will the DroidX have a workaround? The milestone is an example of how difficult it will be, sadly however i believe that Moto would not simply put the exact same system that they put on the Milestone on the DroidX. The android-dev team has made some progress (but alas, not enough yet as its STILL locked down check out their progress tho -
motorola_milestone [And Developers] )
What does this mean for the average user? Not much. However, keep in mind that while the bootloader is locked, you will not be able to install a custom recovery or custom ROM on your Droid X, until the bootloader's signature is cracked.
This was not a complete surprise to those familiar with Motorola's lockdown policies, as in February a Motorola representative explained it was not in their "business practice" to provide unlocked phones, in an article entitled Custom ROMs and Motorola's Android Handsets:
We understand there is a community of developers interested in going beyond Android application development and experimenting with Android system development and re-flashing phones. For these developers, we highly recommend obtaining either a Google ADP1 developer phone or a Nexus One, both of which are intended for these purposes. At this time, Motorola Android-based handsets are intended for use by consumers and Android application developers, and we have currently chosen not to go into the business of providing fully unlocked developer phones.
We all know the resiliency and devotion of the Android hacking community, so I wouldn't put anything past them, but these findings truly are grim. Considering it took more than six months to break the encrypted bootloader on the Milestone, and that the X may be locked down even worse, will this force you to reconsider your decision to purchase a Droid X? Let us know. Also, follow mrweeeedbirdman for updates on the matter!
via Droid-Life
Source Twitter, Steven Bird's Blog
Last edited by wuyanks; 07-14-2010 at 10:12 AM.
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Yes, this will and did effect my decision.
I wanted to get into the android scene after coming from a jailbroken iphone and having a few hacked WM devices in the past. Needless to say, having the ability to do what I want software wise with the phone is big to me.
I had gotten in on the Droid X pre-order at bestbuy but later canceled it when I heard the bootloader was locked. I instead picked up a Droid and have already enjoyed rooting, loading Chevy's great ROMs and overclocking.
Im sure the X will be a great phone out of the box, but I like flexibility. And I look forward to be able to have Gingerbread on my phone before it's released while my buddies with their new Droid X's are still excited about getting the OTA update of FroYo!
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Originally Posted by
DeadlyAP1
Yes, this will and did effect my decision.
I wanted to get into the android scene after coming from a jailbroken iphone and having a few hacked WM devices in the past. Needless to say, having the ability to do what I want software wise with the phone is big to me.
I had gotten in on the Droid X pre-order at bestbuy but later canceled it when I heard the bootloader was locked. I instead picked up a Droid and have already enjoyed rooting, loading Chevy's great ROMs and overclocking.
Im sure the X will be a great phone out of the box, but I like flexibility. And I look forward to be able to have Gingerbread on my phone before it's released while my buddies with their new Droid X's are still excited about getting the OTA update of FroYo!
This isnt even clost to accurate. Gingerbread will be out but the Droid X will have Froyo long before it gets here. the other side of that is just maybe the froyo files are already here
Sometimes , It is what it is !
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So you don't think Droid x will have to wait to get Gingerbread until Moto does what they have to do to it first?
Google is talking about a 4th quarter release of Gingerbread. DX is supposed to just be getting Froyo at the end of the summer. Doesn't it stand to reason that they will be behind the curve a bit because of whatever moto has to do to the OS before they release it OTA?
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i feel like this is the future of a lot of android phones coming out.
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I reckon my next phone will be an HTC. This (most likely) means the Droid 2 will be locked as well.
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Yes, this certainly does not bold well for future Motorola phones... when we look back on this in the future, the Moto Droid 1 will probably be the exception to the rule.
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Only speculation at this point in regards to the Droid 2 being locked down as well. Just because the X is locked does not necessarily mean the Droid 2 will be.
I certainly understand that it doesn't look good but lets not rule it out just yet.
Sent from my Droid
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i havent been following much but why is motorola doing this? do they not know how many customers are turned away bc of the signed bootloader? im not too worried about having a custom ROM but i want wifi tether and the ability to overclock. will the DX still have those?
and if the bootloader is locked, could I still put froyo on it? i have it on my droid now and would like to be able to put it on the DX when i get it
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