Flash Support Will Never See Life On Google Chrome for Android

[JeffDenver]

Right, there was as a demand for it because Apple had created iOS in the first place

I disagree that Apple was the only one who could have created such a demand. I think any company that followed a closed model would have created a similar demand. Apple just happened to be the best at it.

Android thrived and still thirves today and is ever growing today because of how open it is, but that does not make it better for everyone.

It appears to make it better for most people. Marketshare doesnt lie. Every single Android owner had the option of choosing Apple (or going to a network to choose Apple) yet decided not to do so. And, as I said, Apple had a huge head start. They could not even maintain their lead...Android overtook them from a standstill in only a few years.

Apple may have had a head start, but its hard to really compare market share, iOS is occupied on less than 10 devices.

Yeah I hear this argument a lot. But here is why it is not valid:

1) That is a SELF IMPOSED restriction. Apple chooses to restrict itself in this way.
2) The reason they restrict themselves in this way is because they believe it is the only way to produce a polished product. In other words...they are admitting you cant have it both ways. If you are going to go with the closed model, you have to embrace it for it to work.

So no, I dont think it is hard to compare marketshare at all. Add up all the smartphones with Android and compare them to all the smartphones with Android and see which one is more. That is a completely fair Apples to Apples (lol) comparison.

How many devices use Android? Thousands? I mean, sure that's Apple's fault for not allowing other companies use iOS, but that's just the way Apple is.

So why doesn't Apple change it? See above.

The closed system model does not lend itself well to choice or variety, because that makes it a lot harder to support. And it has to be well supported to deliver the polished product. You cant have it both ways. Apple understands that, which is why they deny choice even though it would make them more popular to provide more choices.

I think comparing market share here is apples to oranges, IMHO, and If I remember correctly, iOS actually holds a higher Profit Share than Android does it not?

So what? No one has made the argument that Apple's model is not profitable. We are talking popularity with end users, not company profit.

If so, does Apple care about Market Share if its Profit Share is higher?

As an end user, I am ok with Apple rolling in money. They have my blessing. As long as they remain a niche, they can be as wealthy as they want and I wont care a bit. I just do not want their "I'm-the-boss-of-you" model to become the standard.

Well you disagree cause you actually care. Others dont. And for those who don't care, there is nothing wrong with a closed system, cause well, they don't care.

You would think so, but the first time they see their Android friends do stuff that their phone's cant, they will start to ask why. I saw this happen with my nephews. They started out as Apple fans, but they dont want iOS products anymore.

Just like my mom and sisters don't care, which is why they went from Android to iPhone. iPhone easier for them, iPhone is easier cause Apple controls all aspects, it works, and its a great products, again not for me, but there are ppl out there who really just don't care.

Yes, they are part of the niche market. The things that iOS cant do are things they dont care about. They are not part of the majority IMO.

But a closed system can potentially work better.

A closed system almost ALWAYS "works" better. But it will never allow for more options than an open system. It will always be self-limiting out of necessity. Because there are fewer models it will always lag behind in technology too. We saw this with the Mac and are seeing it again with the iPhone. The open system will attract more vendors and those vendors will put out products on their own schedules. So if you have 10 vendors you have new phones being released all the time.

Look at the iPhone 4S...no 720p display. We already have 3 Android phones with that and there will be many more before we see the iPhone 5. It is also limiting in other ways...no choice on display types (AMOLED/LCD) no choice on size. Things like that matter. People will not necessarily care if it "works" better if it doesnt have the other stuff they want.

Both closed and open systems have weak and strong points

The open system has more strong points. Thats why you are statistically 10 times more likely to be typing your post on a PC than a Mac.

Define the better standard? We talking phones here or the Flash debate?

We are using phones as an analog to the Flash debate. You were arguing in favor of Apple (restrictions on browsers for our own good) and I was arguing in favor of PC/Android (open is better, let the users decide).

With phones, again there is no perfect standard, the consumers get to pick here, and as they should, its their hard earned money that they get to spend on whatever phone they want.

Exactly...and the same thing should apply to HTML5 and flash. Let me (the end user) decide.

With Flash vs HTML5, a majority of ppl really won't know what happened when the transition happens from Flash to HTML5 (a few might notice here and there), its just gonna be transparent

If it was really transparent, then nobody would be complaining. The fact that this debate exists is evidence that the transition is not transparent. There is content you cant view with Chrome that you CAN view with the stock browser.

No, because it will push the transition to HTML5 harder and faster

I disagree that you know what is better for me (the end user) than I do.

Will Flash die off slowly if everything supports both? I really don't know, probably?

What do you mean "probably"? Are you saying it really is a question? That HTML5 might not be better than Flash? If it is so obviously better, what exactly would stop it from displacing Flash eventually?

Who knows. But one thing is for sure, if those three companies want Flash to die, then Flash is going to die, we don't have a choice.

We should have a choice to use what is currently available if we want to. There are still lots of sites using Flash. The current version of mobile flash will still view them. Therefore we should have access to the current version of mobile flash.

[xeene]

time to move on will be when nobody will be using flash. as of right now, majority of sites still use flash so not supporting such a popular feature is a failure in my opinion.

[JeffDenver]

You can move on if you want to. Flash is completely voluntary. You can choose not to install it if you dont want or need it.

Why cant we keep it that way with Chrome? What is the downside for you?

[cleevis]

I want to watch my girlfriend belly dance on my phone!

[cleevis]

Okay, I've said this before. And I lol. But tell your mother, or the nun, who happens to also be a wealthy aunt willing to pay for your wedding that you're marrying a belly dancer. Not that easy when you can't show them performances of what she really does. She's not some stripper that shows up at a party, she is a professional dancer.without flash, they may have never appreciated that.