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    How about...

    "AT&T: getting faster with 4G"

    What a crock of shiz that is. Cleary they are avoiding any wording that implies that they currently have 4G. And even despite the fact that no current carrier's 4G network technically meets the definition of "4G", AT&T literally did NOTHING but slap a 4G sticker on their 3G technology. They literally changed nothing. My buddy and i compaired speeds a few weeks ago. His Atrix in AT&T 4G vs. my D2 on VZW 3G...i smoked his atrix. My DL was 4-5 times faster, and my UL was 10 times faster. AT&T's 3G is even supposed to be faster than VZWs, but clearly thats not the case.

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    Your DL was 4-5 times faster with Verizon 3g? I find that hard to believe. When I had iPhone 3gs I would regularly get DLs in the 2-3mbp/s on Verizon 3g I get 1-1.4mbp/s....

    And by the way, Verizon LTE DOES in fact meet the definition of 4g as the International body that decides such things has stated.
    Unfortunately on the 4G Part everyone else is correct. Verizon's current LTE network does not meet the standards. Now, in three years when verizon rolls out LTE+ it will meet the standards.

    To be 4G per the international telecomm group (don't remember the name just reading about this) no carriers current or near future meets the 4G requirement of supporting speeds in excess of 100mbps.

    Now, the huge difference is Verizon is using true 4th Generation technology, which no other US provider is doing yet. Sprints current 4G isn't cellular technology and besides that it is widely reported sprint is going to move to lte.

    Just to add I average 1.5 to 2mbps in a good coverage area.

    As for AT&Ts HSPA+ someone on there own forums stated that they found it thag is basically wasn't rolled out yet. Not only was it not discounted by AT&T others backed him up. So whether HSPA+ is out on AT&T or not is still a question.


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    Verizon LTE is 4g..... The International Body that decides these things has declared it as such....

    "As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,'" the press release said, "although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

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    http://www.itu.int/ITU-R/index.asp?category=information&rlink=imt-advanced&lang=en

    "enhanced peak data rates to support advanced services and applications (100 Mbit/s for high and 1 Gbit/s for low mobility were established as targets for research)*."

    Now, if you can explain to me how LTE in its current status can meet those specs....


    Also, you didn't read your own link:

    "Only two systems made the list: LTE-Advanced, an emerging version of Long-Term Evolution technology, and WirelessMAN-Advanced, the next version of WiMax, also called WiMax 2. Neither is commercially available yet."

    LTE Advanced isn't launched yet, no one has it. That is why I said in 3 years when verizon decides to upgrade there LTE network we will see "TRUE 4G", but until then nothing meets the standards of 4G.

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    8-12mbps on LTE is plenty fast for me. A lot of websites actually don't seem to even transfer at those speeds.

    8mbps is borderline for streaming hi-def Netflix. For a single user, that is pretty much as fast as you need, IMO. Sure, it won't stream hi-def Bluray, but I'm not sure any service streams that right now anyway.

    The nice thing about faster networks is it translates to increased capacity. Maybe LTE-advanced will start rolling out plans to compete with home broadband.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdreams View Post
    http://www.itu.int/ITU-R/index.asp?category=information&rlink=imt-advanced&lang=en

    "enhanced peak data rates to support advanced services and applications (100 Mbit/s for high and 1 Gbit/s for low mobility were established as targets for research)*."

    Now, if you can explain to me how LTE in its current status can meet those specs....


    Also, you didn't read your own link:

    "Only two systems made the list: LTE-Advanced, an emerging version of Long-Term Evolution technology, and WirelessMAN-Advanced, the next version of WiMax, also called WiMax 2. Neither is commercially available yet."

    LTE Advanced isn't launched yet, no one has it. That is why I said in 3 years when verizon decides to upgrade there LTE network we will see "TRUE 4G", but until then nothing meets the standards of 4G.

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    Your DL was 4-5 times faster with Verizon 3g? I find that hard to believe. When I had iPhone 3gs I would regularly get DLs in the 2-3mbp/s on Verizon 3g I get 1-1.4mbp/s....

    And by the way, Verizon LTE DOES in fact meet the definition of 4g as the International body that decides such things has stated.
    Unfortunately on the 4G Part everyone else is correct. Verizon's current LTE network does not meet the standards. Now, in three years when verizon rolls out LTE+ it will meet the standards.

    To be 4G per the international telecomm group (don't remember the name just reading about this) no carriers current or near future meets the 4G requirement of supporting speeds in excess of 100mbps.

    Now, the huge difference is Verizon is using true 4th Generation technology, which no other US provider is doing yet. Sprints current 4G isn't cellular technology and besides that it is widely reported sprint is going to move to lte.

    Just to add I average 1.5 to 2mbps in a good coverage area.

    As for AT&Ts HSPA+ someone on there own forums stated that they found it thag is basically wasn't rolled out yet. Not only was it not discounted by AT&T others backed him up. So whether HSPA+ is out on AT&T or not is still a question.


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    Verizon LTE is 4g..... The International Body that decides these things has declared it as such....

    "As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,'" the press release said, "although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

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    Re-read the part I have highlighted..... Clearly LTE, WiMax and HSPA+ have substantially improved on their levels of performance with respect to the INITIAL third generation systems now deployed..... Right? Then that makes them "4g" per the most recent decision from the ITU. ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNC View Post
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    Your DL was 4-5 times faster with Verizon 3g? I find that hard to believe. When I had iPhone 3gs I would regularly get DLs in the 2-3mbp/s on Verizon 3g I get 1-1.4mbp/s....

    And by the way, Verizon LTE DOES in fact meet the definition of 4g as the International body that decides such things has stated.
    Unfortunately on the 4G Part everyone else is correct. Verizon's current LTE network does not meet the standards. Now, in three years when verizon rolls out LTE+ it will meet the standards.

    To be 4G per the international telecomm group (don't remember the name just reading about this) no carriers current or near future meets the 4G requirement of supporting speeds in excess of 100mbps.

    Now, the huge difference is Verizon is using true 4th Generation technology, which no other US provider is doing yet. Sprints current 4G isn't cellular technology and besides that it is widely reported sprint is going to move to lte.

    Just to add I average 1.5 to 2mbps in a good coverage area.

    As for AT&Ts HSPA+ someone on there own forums stated that they found it thag is basically wasn't rolled out yet. Not only was it not discounted by AT&T others backed him up. So whether HSPA+ is out on AT&T or not is still a question.


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    Verizon LTE is 4g..... The International Body that decides these things has declared it as such....

    "As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,'" the press release said, "although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

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    Reread it. It says "the term". It does not say they meet the standards, only that they can use the 4G label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdreams View Post
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    Unfortunately on the 4G Part everyone else is correct. Verizon's current LTE network does not meet the standards. Now, in three years when verizon rolls out LTE+ it will meet the standards.

    To be 4G per the international telecomm group (don't remember the name just reading about this) no carriers current or near future meets the 4G requirement of supporting speeds in excess of 100mbps.

    Now, the huge difference is Verizon is using true 4th Generation technology, which no other US provider is doing yet. Sprints current 4G isn't cellular technology and besides that it is widely reported sprint is going to move to lte.

    Just to add I average 1.5 to 2mbps in a good coverage area.

    As for AT&Ts HSPA+ someone on there own forums stated that they found it thag is basically wasn't rolled out yet. Not only was it not discounted by AT&T others backed him up. So whether HSPA+ is out on AT&T or not is still a question.


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    Verizon LTE is 4g..... The International Body that decides these things has declared it as such....

    "As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,'" the press release said, "although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

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    Reread it. It says "the term". It does not say they meet the standards, only that they can use the 4G label.

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    You are really parsing things. It also says that they "recognize" the use of the term. Which means they accept it as 4g...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNC View Post

    You are really parsing things. It also says that they "recognize" the use of the term. Which means they accept it as 4g...

    Wow, so if Intel used the term "HyperTransport" for there Bus, which does not meet the specifications for the HyperTransport Bus. Then AMD said "we recognize there use of the term" Intel would suddenly have a HyperTransport Bus?

    It doesn't work that way sorry.

    It doesn't say they "accept" it as 4G. It is simply saying that they are willing to allow carriers to call it 4G, even though it doesn't meet the specs.

    The article also went onto say what "True 4G" requirements are and what the ITU-R is considering "True 4G", which is the next generation of WiMax and LTE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdreams View Post
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    You are really parsing things. It also says that they "recognize" the use of the term. Which means they accept it as 4g...

    Wow, so if Intel used the term "HyperTransport" for there Bus, which does not meet the specifications for the HyperTransport Bus. Then AMD said "we recognize there use of the term" Intel would suddenly have a HyperTransport Bus?

    It doesn't work that way sorry.

    It doesn't say they "accept" it as 4G. It is simply saying that they are willing to allow carriers to call it 4G, even though it doesn't meet the specs.

    The article also went onto say what "True 4G" requirements are and what the ITU-R is considering "True 4G", which is the next generation of WiMax and LTE.

    It does work that way.... They are the arbiters of what is CALLED 4g. If they recognize LTE as being called 4g that is the end all. If LTE was not 4g then the ITU would not recognize that moniker as being correct... They could easily just say 'we DO NOT recognize any of the technologies currently in use as 4g', but they didn't.... You're argument is basically 'the people who decide what can be called 4g are allowing things which they don't consider 4g to be called 4g'.....

    Your hypertransport bus thing was off base.... If there was an international body that declared things such as hypertransport busses, and THEY recognized it.nvm.. Your analogy would maybe work if Sprint okayed Verizon calling LTE '4g'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdreams View Post
    Just curious if anyone else has noticed things like this:

    ""We’ve invested $75 billion in our wireless and wired networks over the last four years — more capital invested in the U.S. than any company in any industry. "

    They quote both "Wired" and wireless. Where as all other carriers show seperately how much they spend on there networks for "Wireless" alone.

    And I am curious, I don't remember AT&T ever doing anything in the time frame they give. Could this be a first with there new LTE network?

    Just looking for opinions.
    Of course ATT has to skew facts to cover there horrible customer service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Ry View Post
    How about...

    "AT&T: getting faster with 4G"

    What a crock of shiz that is. Cleary they are avoiding any wording that implies that they currently have 4G. And even despite the fact that no current carrier's 4G network technically meets the definition of "4G", AT&T literally did NOTHING but slap a 4G sticker on their 3G technology. They literally changed nothing. My buddy and i compaired speeds a few weeks ago. His Atrix in AT&T 4G vs. my D2 on VZW 3G...i smoked his atrix. My DL was 4-5 times faster, and my UL was 10 times faster. AT&T's 3G is even supposed to be faster than VZWs, but clearly thats not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdreams View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by UNC View Post

    You are really parsing things. It also says that they "recognize" the use of the term. Which means they accept it as 4g...

    Wow, so if Intel used the term "HyperTransport" for there Bus, which does not meet the specifications for the HyperTransport Bus. Then AMD said "we recognize there use of the term" Intel would suddenly have a HyperTransport Bus?

    It doesn't work that way sorry.

    It doesn't say they "accept" it as 4G. It is simply saying that they are willing to allow carriers to call it 4G, even though it doesn't meet the specs.

    The article also went onto say what "True 4G" requirements are and what the ITU-R is considering "True 4G", which is the next generation of WiMax and LTE.
    sure it works that way. you're saying they just decided "oh what the heck let's just call it 4G even though it's not 4G"? do we really need an international body to do that, then?

    Heck, I think LTE meets the standards of 10G, and I recognize that even though I don't really believe it. It doesn't work that way....

    and your Intel/AMD example was a horrible analogy....
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