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    Pros and cons of removing "bloatware"?

    I've been conducting a little experiment. Using Titanium Backup, I have painstakingly frozen nearly every preloaded app (aka "crapware") or system app on my rooted Droid Bionic (5.9.901), so long as it doesn't result in forced closes or total mayhem. I've arrived at pretty much the most non-bloaty system possible short of actually deleting the apps or loading a completely non-stock ROM. I've actually tried to hunt down what some of these things actually do to decide whether to ice them or not. So I'm stock with lots of frozen bloat.

    And yet with nearly every benchmark I can find on the Market, the differences in performance are practically meaningless. Nor do I notice any especially faster response in subjective terms. So the question for the Android jedi is: what's the deal here? Is Android so clever that it always optimizes regardless of what apps are around? Is most of the bloat not really loaded and running until you actually activate an app, so removing it makes little difference? I can still see a reason to clean out the unwanted apps - frees up storage space and rids the phone of annoying trialware and functions better served by other apps (VZ Navigator, I'm looking at you). But is there any real benefit to performance?
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    Mainly for battery life IMHO.

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    Bloat really has no impact to the extent it can be "out of sight, out of mind". It WAS, however, an issue on the D1 because of limited ram and internal storage. But most people who rage against bloat simply have OCD where the mere thought of bloat (even if disabled and hidden) causes them chest pains.

    It is true, however, that bloat sometimes has related services that will run and dain battery (like a few minutes worth overall).
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    I agree with you 100% bladewriter! My bionic is forever rooted and running 901 and I have experimented with freezing all kinds of combinations of "bloatware" and can't say I have noticed any noticible performance increases either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodor View Post
    I agree with you 100% bladewriter! My bionic is forever rooted and running 901 and I have experimented with freezing all kinds of combinations of "bloatware" and can't say I have noticed any noticible performance increases either!
    Speaking of forever root...I tried to edit the file and add forever root with the there lines of script and my phone wouldn't turn on. thank goodness I had a backup. So my question is how did you get forever root?
    Sorry that this is off topic here.

    All I did with my apps was freeze them with tibu so I don't see then in my app drawer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcwilliams View Post
    Speaking of forever root...I tried to edit the file and add forever root with the there lines of script and my phone wouldn't turn on. thank goodness I had a backup. So my question is how did you get forever root?
    Sorry that this is off topic here.

    All I did with my apps was freeze them with tibu so I don't see then in my app drawer.
    Here's how I did it:

    Forever root manual method:

    Open an app such as Root Explorer from the market
    Navigate to the system/bin/mount_ext3.sh
    At the top of the screen press the Mount R/W button
    Long press mount_ext3.sh
    Select copy
    Navigate to sdcard-ext
    Press paste (this will put a clean copy of this file on your sdcard in case things go badly)
    Navigate back to system/bin/mount_ext3.sh
    Long press mount_ext3.sh
    Select Open in Text Editor
    Scroll to the bottom of the file
    Press the the return key on the keyboard to put a empty line
    type the following:

    chmod 4755 /system/bin/su
    chmod 4755 /system/xbin/su
    chmod 4755 /system/app/Superuser.apk

    (note: there is a single space between chmod and 4755 and there is a single space between the 5 and the /.)

    Press save
    Press the Mount R/O button at the top of the page
    Navigate to the mount_ext3.sh file and long press it and select “view as text” in order to confirm the new lines are present in the file.
    Exit and reboot.
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    See I did that...and last night my phone died (first time it rebooted since I added forever root) and when I plugged it in it wouldnt go past the ba. So then I had to do a restore and the only one I had was stock root with all bloat so that's what i'm on now.

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    After hearing what you guys have to say I am really convinced that there is no good reason for me to root my phone. My Bionic is working so well as it is I'm going to leave it stock. I truly believe in that old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodor View Post
    I agree with you 100% bladewriter! My bionic is forever rooted and running 901 and I have experimented with freezing all kinds of combinations of "bloatware" and can't say I have noticed any noticible performance increases either!
    Well, this game of "extreme freezing" is kind of interesting, and I've learned all kinds of things that I didn't know before. For instance, anyone know what ConnMO, LawMO, and DMService do and why they are connected? I believe they are part of a "device management" suite that lets a remote administrator adjust connectivity (ConnMO) and lock-and-wipe your phone if lost or stolen (LawMO). MO stands for management objects. DMService probably is the system level process for this. And SSO apps? Part of Verizon's single-signon service, probably for their various apps and media products (none of which I use). Kpi Logger Service? Sounds scary like some kind of evil carrier spyware right? As far as I can tell it just collects and sends back process performance data. I'm sure I'm the last to figure all this out. At any rate, I found no disadvantage to freezing it, if one is concerned about surveillance (they have better ways of watching you...).

    So the bottom line is, while having a clean apps drawer is nice and I enjoy peace of mind of having a load of total rubbish out of sight in cold storage, I see no real performance advantage. However - tip o' the hat to Guidot - I didn't think about battery life. I'm going to check that out. Titanium B is really great for this - you can set up fllter sets to quickly freeze/unfreeze whatever list of apps you choose. Easily go back to stock for upgrades if you need, then refreeze whatever app list you've set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvVoice View Post
    After hearing what you guys have to say I am really convinced that there is no good reason for me to root my phone. My Bionic is working so well as it is I'm going to leave it stock. I truly believe in that old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"!

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    Assuming ICS will be on the Bionic as it is on the Gnex, you'll be able to "Disable" unwanted apps in the Settings/Apps/All menu.
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