So, I guess VZW can terminate our service for modding our phones?

[Arodnum1]

I don't see theming, rooting or clocking a device as 'moding'. Manufacturer's specs deal with the hardware, not software. A Corvette is still a Corvette, but will perform differently if you put Granny or Al Under Jr at the wheel.

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Yes, so give your grandma your phone, then your analogy works, it would be more like swapping the 6L engine for a 7L engine, your actually modifying the car itself, not the operator

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[Aceunderfire]

Yes, so give your grandma your phone, then your analogy works, it would be more like swapping the 6L engine for a 7L engine, your actually modifying the car itself, not the operator

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Yes but once you buy a Corvette you have the right to mod it in any way you deem and it's still a vette. Even if you are paying on it. That is your right. If you lease the car that is another. Story. We Buy These phones not lease them. Why do they care anyway we buy a new device but if we exchange it under warranty we get a refurbished. That really don't make sense.

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[Arodnum1]

Yes but once you buy a Corvette you have the right to mod it in any way you deem and it's still a vette. Even if you are paying on it. That is your right. If you lease the car that is another. Story. We Buy These phones not lease them. Why do they care anyway we buy a new device but if we exchange it under warranty we get a refurbished. That really don't make sense.

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Throw an aftermarket suspension on your Corvette, garuntee you the warranty is gone, try the exhaust, same thing, i'm not arguing that its a good practice, it shouldn't be like that, but you have to see where the company is coming from

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[oldguy]

Tethering is not stealing. I pay for more bandwidth and minutes than I ever use. USB tethering is activated free in a stock Bionic. WIFI hotspot isn't. VZW charges for the service of activating the hotspot--not for any other service that they perform. They make it difficult for users to perform that simple service for ourselves by locking down a device that we pay full price for. If I perform that service for myself it is like generating my own electricity or wiring my own water heater. It is certainly not theft. Their infrastructure and their labor perform no additional services because of my action than what I have already overpaid for. The reason they don't cut your service is because they know that charging you twenty bucks a month for flipping a switch so you can use bandwidth you already paid for will look to a jury more like the real definition of theft. The real theft of services is not refunding me for unused bandwidth and minutes that I prepaid.

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[jcwilliams]

Tethering is not stealing. I pay for more bandwidth and minutes than I ever use. USB tethering is activated free in a stock Bionic. WIFI hotspot isn't. VZW charges for the service of activating the hotspot--not for any other service that they perform. They make it difficult for users to perform that simple service for ourselves by locking down a device that we pay full price for. If I perform that service for myself it is like generating my own electricity or wiring my own water heater. It is certainly not theft. Their infrastructure and their labor perform no additional services because of my action than what I have already overpaid for. The reason they don't cut your service is because they know that charging you twenty bucks a month for flipping a switch so you can use bandwidth you already paid for will look to a jury more like the real definition of theft. The real theft of services is not refunding me for unused bandwidth and minutes that I prepaid.

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Agreed!

[LtKen]

I would argue that technically, it is stealing. That being said, I have no problem with it in this particular instance.

[Aceunderfire]

Throw an aftermarket suspension on your Corvette, garuntee you the warranty is gone, try the exhaust, same thing, i'm not arguing that its a good practice, it shouldn't be like that, but you have to see where the company is coming from

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I do see their point to an extent, you can mod ur vette without loosing warranty all part and service must be done by dealer. When your parts are warrantied u get brand-new dealer parts. They need to. Do the same like for example. If you mod your phone you get the refurbished replacement. If you don't then you get a new replacement. Mark my words when Verizon figures out how to capitalize the Modding community for a profit they will have a mod department. I doo see their side but it is unfair in the way customers are treated. For example I had them warranty replace my dx2 after a day of running it I bought the d3. A month went buy and I wanted to go back to my dx2 because root wasn't obtained on d3 yet. When I got my dx2 out it was dead. Would not turn on for nothing. Verizon tried to not warranty replace it again because they said once a phone is removed from the account it was on it can no longer be warrantied replaced. After arguing with them for awhile they warrantied it. I had the dx2 for 2 months and went through three. The origanl dx is by far my favorite. But love the keyboard on the d3

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[Arodnum1]

I do see their point to an extent, you can mod ur vette without loosing warranty all part and service must be done by dealer. When your parts are warrantied u get brand-new dealer parts. They need to. Do the same like for example. If you mod your phone you get the refurbished replacement. If you don't then you get a new replacement. Mark my words when Verizon figures out how to capitalize the Modding community for a profit they will have a mod department. I doo see their side but it is unfair in the way customers are treated. For example I had them warranty replace my dx2 after a day of running it I bought the d3. A month went buy and I wanted to go back to my dx2 because root wasn't obtained on d3 yet. When I got my dx2 out it was dead. Would not turn on for nothing. Verizon tried to not warranty replace it again because they said once a phone is removed from the account it was on it can no longer be warrantied replaced. After arguing with them for awhile they warrantied it. I had the dx2 for 2 months and went through three. The origanl dx is by far my favorite. But love the keyboard on the d3

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I do see where your coming from and I do agree, Verizon is all about what can I do that will make Verizon the most money, if they can finagle their way out of a replacement or warranty they will go to the ends of the earth, it sucks we must deal with them

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[RETG]

Hmm... (c) "spam," or engage in other abusive messaging or calling.... (d) modify your device from its manufacturer's specifications

So tweeting (via my Bionic) that VZW's idea of charging two dollars for paying my bill via phone or online with a credit card could cause me to have my service cut?

or

That the locked bootloaders infringes on my freedom as an American, and that using a contract to withhold my constitutional rights is un American and evil! lol

I see your tweeting or messages as being a constitional right to state anything you want so long as it is not threatening; however, trying to figure out where the constitution states you can unlock a bootloader.

[MdicnMan]

Throw an aftermarket suspension on your Corvette, garuntee you the warranty is gone, try the exhaust, same thing, i'm not arguing that its a good practice, it shouldn't be like that, but you have to see where the company is coming from

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Not to derail the thread, but I thought it was worth mentioning that this is not actually true. The Magnuson-Moss act protects owners from their [full] warranty being voided by adding after market equipment unless that equipment directly casues a failure.