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    Call me crazy, but why doesn't someone try to infect their phone with the droiddream malware? It gains root and then yes, it turns your phone into part of a botnet, but with a little investigating, it might point out where the "best" security vulnerabilities are... just a thought. -bbyshadow<3sOG-
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    I think the vulnerabilities malware like droiddream takes advantage of are well-known. I really cannot imagine D3 is affected by it.
    Most likely these vulnerabilities were under the first the devs tried out.
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    Yeah. It uses rageagainstthecage. It's an older, patched exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psouza4 View Post
    The phone does run smooth -- no doubt there, even with the preloaded bloat.

    Personally, I want root for so many other reasons:

    • changing the SD card cache size and other props
    • tweaking memory auto-killer (min/max free values)
    • overclocking
    • titanium backup
    • nandroid backups
    • screen caps
    • SMB/CIFs-enabled kernels (for video streaming)
    • Chainfire kernel mod to add Tegra 2 instruction emulation to non-Tegra devices
    • tethering (I have an Android tablet that does WiFi only)
    • theming/customizing the UI (custom ROMs, etc.)


    Plus you get other benefits when rooted -- typically next-day ROMs for the latest version of the OS rather than waiting weeks or months for an OTA update (and even if you're lucky).
    I don't think root means what you think it means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neonerz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by psouza4 View Post
    The phone does run smooth -- no doubt there, even with the preloaded bloat.

    Personally, I want root for so many other reasons:

    • changing the SD card cache size and other props
    • tweaking memory auto-killer (min/max free values)
    • overclocking
    • titanium backup
    • nandroid backups
    • screen caps
    • SMB/CIFs-enabled kernels (for video streaming)
    • Chainfire kernel mod to add Tegra 2 instruction emulation to non-Tegra devices
    • tethering (I have an Android tablet that does WiFi only)
    • theming/customizing the UI (custom ROMs, etc.)

    Plus you get other benefits when rooted -- typically next-day ROMs for the latest version of the OS rather than waiting weeks or months for an OTA update (and even if you're lucky).
    I don't think root means what you think it means.
    And you'd for the most part would be wrong. Some of those things he listed requires access to the boot loader but most can be handled with just root access.
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    Slightly less then half of the items on that list have nothing to do with root whatsoever. When it comes to kernel mods, root doesn't matter, period. I could have all the kernel mods he mentioned and not have root. (As unlikely as that would be)
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    Quote Originally Posted by neonerz View Post
    Slightly less then half of the items on that list have nothing to do with root whatsoever. When it comes to kernel mods, root doesn't matter, period. I could have all the kernel mods he mentioned and not have root. (As unlikely as that would be)
    And just how do you plan to get those kernel mods on without access to the boot loader?
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    You do understand there is a difference between an unlocked bootloader and having root, right?

    Root is just giving full access to the file system. You don't have any access to the actual kernel that is booted.

    In order to load a custom kernel you have to be able to access the bootloader, and then once you have access to that, root is kind of a moot point, because your booting your own file system. You could set the permissions to whatever you want. You could set e+rwe to the whole filesystem if you wanted to.

    The only thing that I was slighty incorrect about (which I realized after I posted) is that some kernel modules *may* be loadable with root. But that would only be

    a) After Motorola releases the source of the GPL'd stuff (namely the kernel)
    b) Their kernel supports any requirements that the kernel modules needs. So most likely you'll be able to load cifs.ko and tun.ko but not libaudio.ko or some other custom CM kernel.

    edit// the tun.ko part might not actually be needed. I don't know what Motorola changed, but the Droid3 has a lot more robust VPN support then previous versions.
    Last edited by neonerz; 07-15-2011 at 07:47 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neonerz View Post
    You do understand there is a difference between an unlocked bootloader and having root, right?

    Root is just giving full access to the file system. You don't have any access to the actual kernel that is booted.

    In order to load a custom kernel you have to be able to access the bootloader, and then once you have access to that, root is kind of a moot point, because your booting your own file system. You could set the permissions to whatever you want. You could set e+rwe to the whole filesystem if you wanted to.

    The only thing that I was slighty incorrect about (which I realized after I posted) is that some kernel modules *may* be loadable with root. But that would only be

    a) After Motorola releases the source of the GPL'd stuff (namely the kernel)
    b) Their kernel supports any requirements that the kernel modules needs. So most likely you'll be able to load cifs.ko and tun.ko but not libaudio.ko or some other custom CM kernel.

    edit// the tun.ko part might not actually be needed. I don't know what Motorola changed, but the Droid3 has a lot more robust VPN support then previous versions.
    You and I are on the same page but I was merely pointing out that some of the things he wants does not require any kernel modifications and root would suffice. Obviously at the point you have access to the boot loader and can load the ROM of your likings than root isn't a necessity.
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    Just to recap

    • changing the SD card cache size and other props (needs root)
    • tweaking memory auto-killer (min/max free values) (needs root)
    • overclocking (needs kernel access)
    • titanium backup (needs root)
    • nandroid backups (needs kernel access)
    • screen caps (needs root)
    • SMB/CIFs-enabled kernels (for video streaming) (mayberoot)
    • Chainfire kernel mod to add Tegra 2 instruction emulation to non-Tegra devices (needs kernel access)
    • tethering (I have an Android tablet that does WiFi only) (needs root, possible kernel access if blocked)
    • theming/customizing the UI (custom ROMs, etc.) (root can only get you so far)


    Root != Kernel Access
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