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Thread: Just FYI: Saturday Jan 26th It Will Be Illegal in the US to Unlock Your Phone

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    I think that their argument is that if they sell a phone at a subsidized price, then they have a right to enforce the contract in order to recoup their "loss" on the sale price of the phone. This is being likened to a finance company having a lein on your car, that you cannot sell it and transfer ownership to someone else until they are paid off in full and release the title.

    Which onthe surface sounds plausible, until one remembers that if you break the contract early, you are subject to the FTA, which they say is there for the same reason, to recoup the subsidy they gave you on the handset.

    Legally, I would hope that they can only claim one or the other, not both. So either you pay the ETF and take your phone to another carrier, or, you wait out the contract and then take it. But not have you pay the ETF and then claim you have to finish the contract and then still try to prevent you.

    My point is that their argument holds no water when you consider that that argument is what the ETF is already in place for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquireSCA View Post
    Doesn't Europe allow you to take the phone that you own, and go get a SIM card and service for whatever carrier you want? This isn't rocket science. I buy a TV, maybe I get a good deal on it because I signed up for DirecTV with it, but when my contract is up and DirectTV "Recovered their costs", why should they be able to prevent me from going to Comcast or Dish?

    It's stupid. This is yet another industry buying legislation in order to boost profits, with the consumers and tax payers footing the bill and being incovenienced.
    Not all countries. For example, France does have a law on the books that says that any phone sold in France has to be unlocked. This is why when the original iPhone was sold in Europe, the price of the phone in France was some hundred or two hundred euros higher than in Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquireSCA View Post
    I think that their argument is that if they sell a phone at a subsidized price, then they have a right to enforce the contract in order to recoup their "loss" on the sale price of the phone. This is being likened to a finance company having a lein on your car, that you cannot sell it and transfer ownership to someone else until they are paid off in full and release the title.

    Which onthe surface sounds plausible, until one remembers that if you break the contract early, you are subject to the FTA, which they say is there for the same reason, to recoup the subsidy they gave you on the handset.

    Legally, I would hope that they can only claim one or the other, not both. So either you pay the ETF and take your phone to another carrier, or, you wait out the contract and then take it. But not have you pay the ETF and then claim you have to finish the contract and then still try to prevent you.

    My point is that their argument holds no water when you consider that that argument is what the ETF is already in place for.
    I see what you mean. To stick with my example, why would I want to unlock my S3 to another carrier if I wasn't planning on taking my line there anyway, at which point I'd be forced to pay the ETF... unless I got a new phone #.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jntdroid View Post
    I see what you mean. To stick with my example, why would I want to unlock my S3 to another carrier if I wasn't planning on taking my line there anyway, at which point I'd be forced to pay the ETF... unless I got a new phone #.
    Correct, and if you pay them the ETF, then you have fullfilled your obligation to them and repaid them in full, so they should release the phone. The fact that they do not, means that the reason they gave for wanting this law, had nothing to do with recouping subsidy costs. It has to do with making it as painful as possible to go to another carrier, to they purchase legislation in order to do that.
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    did you know that you'll have lesser sentence for killing a person then unlocking a phone? the doctor who killed michael jackson was sentenced to 4 year, while unlocking a phone will book you a nice cell for 5-10 years.

    "PENALTY: In some situations, first time offenders may be fined up to $500,000, imprisoned for five years, or both. For repeat offenders, the maximum penalty increases to a fine of $1,000,000, imprisonment for up to ten years, or both.”



    considering all the unlocks i've done, i should be jailed for life!
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    hhhmmm. Well I purchase my phones outright....to keep my unlimited data. That being said.....

    MY PHONE, I OWN IT.......so I can do whatever I like with it!!
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    You won't be keeping Unlimited Data for long, no matter how much you pay for your phone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquireSCA View Post
    You won't be keeping Unlimited Data for long, no matter how much you pay for your phone...
    They also said that when VZW released tiered packages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanBounca View Post
    They also said that when VZW released tiered packages.
    It's coming, rest assured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comk4ver View Post

    Well, considering that all the telecoms are going to 4G/LTE I would venture to guess this means that all phones with LTE will be compatible. But, also we've seen a rise in every day people buying phones with global capabilities.
    Look at the t-mobile kids who bought the htc dna droid off contract and took it to t-mobile.
    Plus, we're seeing a retaliatory backlash against consumers who are not paying for the roaming charges when leaving the country because they could unlock it.
    As far as cricket is concerned they will have to abide by the newly to be enforced lost/stolen/blacklisted directory for phones. So, if you leave Verizon with your galaxy Nexus without paying for the etf or the bill then they will block the esn/imeid number to render the phone useless.
    Well they already do that with the phones.. I know Verizon will blacklist the esn if you have a balance with them. I would assume then that cricket will have to sell their own phones instead of advising that they can unlock and flash your current phone to work with their service.

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