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    I recently read a report that 87% of all drivers think they are above average or excellent drivers[1]. Now in this thread I read that there should be no ban on cell phone use because all of those above average drivers can compensate for their cell phone use by turning up their above-averageness. In other words, people are deluding themselves into thinking that they are great drivers who can compensate for their cell phone use by amping up their delusions.[2] That's very safe for all of us, I'm sure.

    If I was a religious man, I'd pray to the Good Lord for protection from all of those extra-super-duper "above average" drivers and their cell phones. But I'm not, so I'll happily work with my fellow citizens to support sensible laws. So, yes, I support the proposed ban and further support making it the law in all 50 states. That way otherwise law-abiding citizens can't say "well it isn't the law in every state so it can't be that important!"

    [1] I can't find the study I was recalling, but here is an example where the number comes in at 93% The myth of the above-average driver - Sep. 22, 2011 If you google "driving" and "the lake wobegon effect" you will find plenty more.

    [2] Not that I blame them. Driving is the number one cause of death among people from age 1 up until 55 or so, when a lot of diseases kick in (mainly caused by lack of exercise, I suppose). It is the most dangerous thing most of you will do today. And we live in a society where driving is considered nearly mandatory. No wonder people are deluded about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathankrall View Post
    I recently read a report that 87% of all drivers think they are above average or excellent drivers[1]. Now in this thread I read that there should be no ban on cell phone use because all of those above average drivers can compensate for their cell phone use by turning up their above-averageness. In other words, people are deluding themselves into thinking that they are great drivers who can compensate for their cell phone use by amping up their delusions.[2] That's very safe for all of us, I'm sure.

    If I was a religious man, I'd pray to the Good Lord for protection from all of those extra-super-duper "above average" drivers and their cell phones. But I'm not, so I'll happily work with my fellow citizens to support sensible laws. So, yes, I support the proposed ban and further support making it the law in all 50 states. That way otherwise law-abiding citizens can't say "well it isn't the law in every state so it can't be that important!"

    [1] I can't find the study I was recalling, but here is an example where the number comes in at 93% The myth of the above-average driver - Sep. 22, 2011 If you google "driving" and "the lake wobegon effect" you will find plenty more.

    [2] Not that I blame them. Driving is the number one cause of death among people from age 1 up until 55 or so, when a lot of diseases kick in (mainly caused by lack of exercise, I suppose). It is the most dangerous thing most of you will do today. And we live in a society where driving is considered nearly mandatory. No wonder people are deluded about it.
    What some of us are talking about has nothing to do with driving ability, and everything to do with the ability to keep your focus where it belongs, and that's not a delusion, or some sort of superiority complex. It's like a conversation with a person face to face. Your mind is either focused on it, or wandering elsewhere and only halfway listening, doing just enough to keep up. You can be a horrible driver, but if you're careful, still avoid accidents. You can be the most skilled driver in the world, and still let yourself get distracted and rear-end someone. Also, the study you linked (which I know isn't the one you were trying to find) was discussing students/teens, so is a tad skewed. That age-group was the worst even before cellphones.

    The quote at the end of that article sums it up well for what some of us are trying to communicate:
    One fault common to motorists of all ages is driver distraction. It isn't surprising: Driving is simple and boring much of the time, so drivers do other things while they are behind the wheel.


    If you don't let yourself get complacent, you'll have fewer accidents. Cellphones might be a vehicle (pun intended! ) that takes you to complacency faster, or keeps you there longer, but they're not the underlying problem.

    edit: to clarify, I'm talking about using a cellphone, not just texting... texting is bad, but where do you draw the line if you ban texting, b/c lots of things you do in a car take your eyes off the road...
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    Hi Guys. Here in OZ we are allowed to talk on our mobile/cell phones while driving BUT you Must use either a handsfree setup or bluetooth through your cars stereo. Now this is no more distracting than talking to someone sitting next to you so what is the big deal. I absolutely agree with NO TEXTING while driving that is just plain ridiculous and stupid on any drivers parts. These laws down here work a treat but there are still a lot of IDIOTS who think they are Superman and can't get distracted if they text. Well obviously the $300 plus fine and loss of points off your licence here is not enough well then maybe after the accident a wheelchair or death might be better huh?
    I totally agree with any law for your safety in OZ or the States. Think about it guys. Isn't Life better than no life at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggie View Post
    Extremist nonsense.

    All the federal government has to do is pass a law which ties federal highway funding to a cellphone ban. How do you think the 55 MPH speed limit lasted so long?

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    Er, no, it's the legal position.

    Those that think it's lawful to restrict a right are the extremists, much like Europeans, no guaranteed rights.

    I don't advocate cell phone use, and certainly not texting, but will NEVER permit a government to restrict cell phone use for any reason. Advocating a punitive government reaction to cell phone use means you're willing to kill to enforce that. I'm opposed to government violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastpat
    rEr, no, it's the legal position.

    Those that think it's lawful to restrict a right are the extremists, much like Europeans, no guaranteed rights.

    I don't advocate cell phone use, and certainly not texting, but will NEVER permit a government to restrict cell phone use for any reason. Advocating a punitive government reaction to cell phone use means you're willing to kill to enforce that. I'm opposed to government violence.
    Wow.

    I think that is what I was talking about when I wrote "extremest nonsense"...

    "Oh my God officer, why did you shoot him?!?"

    "Sir, its the law. He was (insert random vehicular violation here)."

    I do believe the pills are wearing off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huskur View Post
    I get your point but feel its a little extreme. Texting is a no no for certain. Using handsfree is something that most drivers should be able to do. Like I said before, children in the car a much greater distraction. If you cannot use a handsfree device and drive safely then maybe you shouldn't be driving at all. Bluetooth devices now days are extremely user friendly and talking to someone on a handsfree device is just like talking to someone sitting beside you or behind you.
    A little extreme?
    Try getting hit by someone using the cell phone when they're driving 45 mph when you're waiting for a green light. I can use a handsfree device - what's the point? How is it so important that you need to talk on the cell at all when you're driving? Before cell phones were popular or used by the consumer, what did you do? Go to the nearest phone booth at every other block to make a call to see how someone's doing? You shouldn't depend on cell phones like their part of you body. People are getting more & more attached they won't know what to do if a catrostrophy happened. "oh my, what do I do, I don't have anymore signal - well i may as well kill myself since my cell phone doesn't work anymore". Think about it.
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    I would totally support a federal ban on cell phone use while in a car. I would even support a law that mandated that cell phone makes incorporate a GPS function, that if the phone is traveling at more than 15mph, that it will not let you call or text unless you are connected to a hands free device.

    As an avid rider, I have nothing better to do when riding than to watch "cagers" and all the nutty stuff that they do. I cannot even begin to count the number of times I have been cut off, almost hit, etc... because some idiot is playing with their phone instead of driving. People have had the chance to use their heads and do the right thing, and the reality is that the average person cares more about updating their facebook page from the car than making sure that they don't kill someone. If people won't police themselves, we leave the government no choice but to do it for us.

    It isn't the government's fault that society is too lazy to do the right thing. We bring this stuff on ourselves.

    I don't mind people talking on Bluetooth, as that isn't much different than them talking to someone in the car. But when people sit there holding their phone to their head, their attention to driving goes out the window. They don't even have a free hand to use turn signals and they cannot turn their heads to check for other vehicles.

    If people won't police themselves, we invite Big Brother to do it for us.

    And if they do pass such a law, I think that it needs to be a very pricey ticket. None of this $50 stuff. Make the ticket $500. Make it so painful that people simply won't do it. And if someone has an accident, I also think that as part of any investigation, they should be able to pull a phone record to see if the person was on the phone or texting at the time of the accident, and if so, they are automatically at fault and should have their license suspended for 6 month.

    Sound harsh? So is being hit by an inattentive driver and dragged under the back of his truck through a bank parking lot as he didn't even realize that he hit a motorcyclist. I know first hand how much that sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquireSCA View Post
    I would totally support a federal ban on cell phone use while in a car. I would even support a law that mandated that cell phone makes incorporate a GPS function, that if the phone is traveling at more than 15mph, that it will not let you call or text unless you are connected to a hands free device.

    As an avid rider, I have nothing better to do when riding than to watch "cagers" and all the nutty stuff that they do. I cannot even begin to count the number of times I have been cut off, almost hit, etc... because some idiot is playing with their phone instead of driving. People have had the chance to use their heads and do the right thing, and the reality is that the average person cares more about updating their facebook page from the car than making sure that they don't kill someone. If people won't police themselves, we leave the government no choice but to do it for us.

    It isn't the government's fault that society is too lazy to do the right thing. We bring this stuff on ourselves.

    I don't mind people talking on Bluetooth, as that isn't much different than them talking to someone in the car. But when people sit there holding their phone to their head, their attention to driving goes out the window. They don't even have a free hand to use turn signals and they cannot turn their heads to check for other vehicles.

    If people won't police themselves, we invite Big Brother to do it for us.

    And if they do pass such a law, I think that it needs to be a very pricey ticket. None of this $50 stuff. Make the ticket $500. Make it so painful that people simply won't do it. And if someone has an accident, I also think that as part of any investigation, they should be able to pull a phone record to see if the person was on the phone or texting at the time of the accident, and if so, they are automatically at fault and should have their license suspended for 6 month.

    Sound harsh? So is being hit by an inattentive driver and dragged under the back of his truck through a bank parking lot as he didn't even realize that he hit a motorcyclist. I know first hand how much that sucks.
    Well said, I ride my bike a lot to save gas, I see this all the time, its a damn epidemic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Josefius View Post
    Well said, I ride my bike a lot to save gas, I see this all the time, its a damn epidemic.


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    Politically, I am very Libertarian and think that the government is too big and that 75% of what it does it has no real Constitutional Authority to do... That said, some things I do agree with and public safety is one of them. I don't care if people hurt themselves, we should let Darwinism do it's proper work. But when people are killing other people in droves over something stupid like facebook, texts and yapping with their stupid friends about nothing important, I think that if people won't correct themselves, then the government can and SHOULD step in and force people to.

    If that means a nationwide ban and a $500 ticket for a first offense and a 6 month suspension of your license after that, so be it. It would all but obliterate this problem.

    I can hear people now, crying, "what if I lose my license and so I lose my job and can't support my family, this isn't fair!"....

    My response is, "then put down your phone, stupid. No call or text is worth losing your license or job over, and it certainly isn't worth killing another motorist over"....

    But people are so entitled that many people just won't see it. They see it as their RIGHT to text and drive, no matter who it hurts. So the only way to get them to stop, is to force them to by making the penalty so painful that it will get through even their thick skulls.
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    Squire you bring up really good points... and I don't disagree with you.

    My only hangup, again, is how do you regulate something like this, and where do you draw the line? Not everybody texts/updates FB (sigh at FB... ) with the phone up on their steering wheel. What if I drop something in my lap and I have to look down briefly or "fiddle" a little down there (no comments!) to get whatever I dropped? It could look like I'm texting, or whatever, and bam... $500 (hypothetically), when my phone is in my work bag next to me the entire time (like the officer will believe that). What if my wife sends me a text saying there's an emergency at home, I see it popup without even touching my phone, then calls me right after (this has happened to me). My bluetooth earpiece is dead and charging b/c I've been using it so much more. Yet I can't pickup the phone b/c I see a police officer, and I'm worried about the $500 fine. Should I not be allowed to pickup the phone and talk to her, even if just for a second?

    For every scenario that includes an idiot who can't prioritize what he should be doing in his vehicle, there's another one on the other side of that spectrum where legitimate and important usage occurs and doesn't cause any problems - you just never hear about those situations.

    We can say all day that we survived fine without cellphones before, but then you're getting into an entire paradigm shift in the way we live today. Maybe that's possible, and maybe that would be good for all of us, but it's not realistic IMHO.

    I get the problem, and I wish people would use their brains more and not give a crap about texting or updating FB or having long drawn out conversations in their cars - but to punish those that don't do that stuff when they actually need the technology is unfair, and again, seemingly impossible to regulate in my opinion.
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