[Updated] Droid RAZR Pre-orders Already Sold-Out

[JohnnytheK]

You all are braver than me, I always wait until they'er in the stores so I can fondle and read several reviews first!

[patmw123]

I am going to buy whichever proves to be the best PHONE. ICS is not the deciding factor, as ALL new phones will get it. One phone just comes with it first, but if that phone is inferior to the others, is it worth settling for a second or 3rd place phone, just to get ICS a month earlier than other phones?

Not to me, If I am spending a few hundred bucks on something, I want the best hardware. The software will come either way... Being able to brag to my friends that I have ICS for a few weeks before they do, just isn't a good plan IMHO.

That's just it...while the Razr will definitely be receiving ICS, there is no telling how close it will actually be to the true AOSP Google builds that will be on the Nexus. The builds on the nexus are how Android is intended to be. I have mentioned this before, but it is essentially up to the phone manufacturer (on non-nexus phones) to decide which features of an update are included. For example, look at the Droid X, Droid 2, etc., they have both received the gingerbread update, but neither of them featured the popular crt screen off animation. While I realize that this specific feature is small, it really does suck (in my opinion) that moto, htc, etc. all have the choice to pick and choose whichever features from AOSP ICS are included (and not included) in their OTA update. Some people, myself included, just have more faith in Google, rather than Motorola (or any manufacturer for that matter), to providing suitable updates.

[SquireSCA]

That's just it...while the Razr will definitely be receiving ICS, there is no telling how close it will actually be to the true AOSP Google builds that will be on the Nexus. The builds on the nexus are how Android is supposed to be. I have mentioned this before, but it is essentially up to the phone manufacturer (on non-nexus phones) to decide which features of an update are included. For example, look at the Droid X, Droid 2, etc., they have both received the gingerbread update, but neither of them featured the popular crt screen off animation. While I realize that this specific feature is small, it really does suck (in my opinion) that moto, htc, etc. all have the choice to pick and choose whatever features from AOSP ICS are included (and not included) in their OTA update.

So what?

1) It will have a MicroSD slot, the Nexus won't
2) It will have the tougher gorilla glass, the Nexus won't.
3) It may end up being a faster phone than the Nexus, looking at some of the benchmarks currently out that show the Nexus lagging behind several current phones.
4) I will be able to install an ICS-based, blur-free ROM at some point.

So if it means getting a better phone and having to wait a month or two for the software to catch up, I am fine with that. Like I said, just being able to have ICS *right now*, is not worth having to have lesser hardware.

As for the CRT screen off feature, that is so minimal of a feature that I don't think anyone cares. It looks cool the first time you see it, but after that you end up forgetting about it. I have it on my DX, running the GB version of CM7. It is a feature, but it is not a benefit I guess.

I will wait till both phones are out and I can see how they stack up, but at this point I am leaning towards the Razr and then loading an ICS based CyanogenMod ROM on it.

[zathus]

I'm going with razr. Both phones are great but I like moto phones more. To me, they always make a solid phone and use top notch hardware. Software can be replaced, hardware can't.

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[patmw123]

So what?

1) It will have a MicroSD slot, the Nexus won't - This is preference. Matters to some, others not so much.
2) It will have the tougher gorilla glass, the Nexus won't. - Where did you find out what kind of glass the Nexus has? It hasn't been released yet. There is no way to tell which is stronger.
3) It may end up being a faster phone than the Nexus, looking at some of the benchmarks currently out that show the Nexus lagging behind several current phones. - Considering benchmarks even translate into real world performance? Neither phone is out yet, it is silly to speculate about which is "faster" yet.
4) I will be able to install an ICS-based, blur-free ROM at some point. I simply want custom kernels, which I don't see coming to the Razr.

My responses are in red. I wasn't taking a shot at the Razr, it is obviously a great phone. People just have different opinions on what they want in their device. And I don't really know why those comments (1-4) were even made... I simply responded to you speaking about the ICS update getting to the Razr "later anyways"...implying that there was no benefit to the nexus regarding software updates. I was just pointing out that Moto has taken features of past Android OS updates out of their OTA update builds. Who knows if Moto will continue to do that? If you want to trust Motorola for your updates then fine, I was simply stating my opinion that I would prefer to receive my updates from Google, who created ICS.

[SquireSCA]

My answers are in red. I wasn't taking a shot at the Razr, it is obviously a great phone. People just have different opinions on what they want in their device. And I don't really know why those questions were even asked... I simply responded to you speaking about the ICS update getting to the Razr "later anyways"...implying that there was no benefit to the nexus regarding software updates. I was just pointing out that Moto has taken features of past Android OS updates out of their OTA update builds. Who knows if it will continue? If you want to trust Motorola for your updates then fine, I was simply stating my opinion that I would prefer to receive my updates from Google, who created ICS.

And I thought it was clear that I don't rely on Moto for my updates, hence my running CM7. ;-)

[patmw123]

And I thought it was clear that I don't rely on Moto for my updates, hence my running CM7. ;-)

I wish I could have gotten CM7 to run well on my D2 & DX. I never could. It was a stable experience, but it is pretty hard for a true AOSP rom to be 100% functioning without the ability to change kernels. It is really a shame what Verizon is doing with the Moto bootloaders because Moto hardware is top notch.

[SquireSCA]

I wish I could have gotten CM7 to run well on my D2 & DX. I never could. It was a stable experience, but it is pretty hard for a true AOSP to be 100% functioning without the ability to change kernels. It is really a shame what Verizon is doing with the Moto bootloaders because Moto hardware is top notch.

it was glitchy when I ran the Froyo based version, but since they built a GB version it has been rock steady. No more random reboots, a 30% boost in performance, clean, stable. Very happy with it.

[patmw123]

I only ran the GB ones on my D2/DX, I ran the froyo ones on my DPro. The GB ones were obviously much more stable. If you don't rely on OTA updates at all, then your the exact type of person that would benefit from the Nexus' unlocked bootloader. There will most likely be a vast amount of roms to choose from for the nexus and there won't be little annoyances caused by the inability to change the kernel.

[SquireSCA]

I only ran the GB ones on my D2/DX, I ran the froyo ones on my DPro. The GB ones were obviously much more stable. If you don't rely on OTA updates at all, then your the exact type of person that would benefit from the Nexus' unlocked bootloader. There will most likely be a vast amount of roms to choose from for the nexus and there won't be little annoyances caused by the inability to change the kernel.

Well, that is a good point, having a phone that is completely open and unlocked and you can do whatever you want with it...